If you had to pay full retail, would you...???


I recently got the Music Direct catalog in the mail. Lots of cool gear, interesting tweaks, awesome LPs. Looking over the catalog several times, I said to myself, "man, there are a lot of expensive tweaks which the un-initiated must think is simply crazy". What also struck me is that all the stuff I want, is ultra expensive and the stuff at "real-world prices" are nothing really spectacular. Even at the low end side of "high-end" gear, I would be laying out considerably more than if I went to Best Buy and bought an All in one system.

So, here is where I am headed. I have put together a pretty nice system, almost entirely found here on Audiogon, over back in the day at Audiomart. I scored my amps which retail for $13,000 for $4000. My speakers retailed for $7500 and I got em for $1500. My turntable was $500, which retail was $2500. If, I bought a new $500 turntable, I would get like a Music Fidelity MF, entry level one.

if you bought most of your system used, if you had to start from square one and had to buy Full retail, would you still be into this hobby?

Entry level high end gear really does not interest me. it lacks pizzaz, like the Avid Reference has. For what I paid for my AudioLogic tube DAC, I could only afford a Mid-level Marantz. I beleive I would still be a Music lover, but if forced to spend Full retail for high end gear, I think I would opt for mass market mid-fi, or simply do a laptop based digital system through a mass market company.
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mr edwards:

it's amazing to me that you are successful. your know-it-all attitude is offensive. a truly wise man knows he knows not. you probably know very little, and are insecure and full of opinions as well as full of yourself.

you probably should see a therapist. you sound very bitter to me.
I am frankly shocked at people's responses. I am in this hobby to listen to music, not to trade gear. I have bought all of mine used, mostly from brick and mortar stores (a few pieces off the local equivalent of ebay) and I think I have built a respectable system for what happens to have been a substantial discount to retail price. However, if trafficking in used audio equipment were to become illegal, while I would likely not have the same equipment, even it meant "paying full retail", I'd build myself a decent system - though I would probably choose to do so by buying direct from manufacturers (and a number of people who have said "no" on this thread have previously recommended (at least in my admittedly hazy recollection) components sourced direct from the mfr). If I was a complete newbie, I'd probably go to a bricks 'n mortar shop to listen first, and pay the mark-up to learn.

I think I could do quite well for myself buying new at full asked price, partly because buying direct from the mfr cuts out at least one level of "middle man". I might buy Oris horn speakers (or if "stuck with" box speakers, maybe some Coincidents), a Berning amp, perhaps a Supratek or Bottlehead preamp & phono, maybe a Teres or Galibier turntable (packaged with arm). For a CD player, at this point, I would probably set up a music server connected to a directly purchased I2S-capable DAC (or I'd build my own from a kit). There are any number of choices to buy rack and cables direct as well.
>>Most people in my age (30 something) who are smart and creative<<

I think you forgot humble as well.

Or not.
D_edwards - You bring bluster and recrimination to every event that captures your attention. I see no effort on this forum that would suggest that you want to help anyone. All of your content focuses on building yourself and belittling others.
You appear to have made a wise choice in becoming a football coach as the gridiron is surely a better theatre for your antics and attitude than our gentleman's hobby. Farewell.
Coaching Football these days, something where the outcome is not subjective and winning means I don't have to suffer fools or discount my salary.
D_edwards (System | Answers)

That's actually the most impressive comment I've seen from you yet Edwards. I coached baseball for 14 years, and it was a great experience. The kids keep you young. Are you coaching at a school/university?
I coached a community travel team and at the high school. The community league was more competetive.

It actually took me away from the audio nervosa for a bit. I went 7-8 years with absolutely no changes in my system whatsoever. Of course I didn't fire up the big rig much in those days either. Too busy.

Anyway, it sounds like it is good move to get out of the retail end, as it probably was best for you and your customers.