Crossover upgrade capacitor question


I was thinking of upgrading my capacitors on my outboard crossovers.The boards are large with a 1 ea. of 3,6, and 2 pieces of 8uF value caps.My question is the two 8uf are strapped together and look to solder in to the same trace can I use a 16uf in there place to save money?

thanks
wavetrader
Lets back up.. If in fact they are 2 8 uF caps equalling 16 uF in a parallel design, yes you could go to one cap.. however the reason they were probably in there was that whatever that manufacture is they used might have been cheaper to use 2 of the 8's... opposed to a 16.. or simply that manufacture does not even make a 16...

However if you can get a very good 16 uF that is guaranteed better quality than the current one in there so be it and go for it. Or you can go with 8 uF's again due to its more rare to find exotic caps in exact large sizes, for example you might find that mundorf might only make a 12 uF and an 18 uF... So you can't even get the 16 uF unless they offer you to make a pair custom which will normally cost you a lot more... Thats why then you can choose to keep the dual 8 uF's.. which is called "Battery together" type config... or parallel.

Anyway technically you do have a little higher voltage capability with the dual 8 uF's over a single 16 but that has no real application in a speaker accept that some manufactures might argue that the 2 caps are still better with 2 small reserves and faster than one big cap.

Finally the best caps are for the cheap side Jantzen superior...

Mundorfs are in the middle, but I feel in most applications the Jantzens have better bass and just as good for less money..

And on the High side for the better pricing is the Clarity Cap MR's which none of them equal in sound, or you have to go into very costly and much time to get(so have patience) Duelund capacitors.
I suggest bypass on the tweeter from practical experience. I tried them on my mid/bass crossover caps and found that there was a pronounced forwardness and over prominence on the upper midrange that threw the whole speaker out of balance.

Now, YMMV, but it makes sense to me electrically also. Bypasses enhance upper end frequencies, and so make a difference at the upper end of the frequency spectrum. For a mid/bass driver this could be over emphasizing the upper crossover point and causing anomalies there between it and the lower end of the tweeter. Bypasses on a tweeter affects just the upper end extension and air, without any other driver interaction. At least that's the theory I'm working with to explain what I encountered.

As in all things, I recommend trying it for yourself in your system, and learning from the experience.

Enjoy,
Bob
Precisely matched smaller capacitors in parallel may work better than an equivalent large capacitor. A lot depends on geometry as well as the choice of dielectric. Remember that caps used in passive crossover see high voltages and therefore they change shape along with the signal flowing through them - this can add significant distortion in some cases and can affect dynamics. A better solution would be to go with active crossovers (using low level line signals) and consequently reduce this form of distortion and power loss substantially.
"Remember that caps used in passive crossover see high voltages and therefore they change shape along with the signal flowing through them - this can add significant distortion in some cases"

Both Claritycap MR and Duelund reportedly have design improvements that minimize this physical movement of the capacitor plates(resonance). Clarity has a white paper in which they claim that in extensive listening tests, low capacitor resonance was a greater factor than capacitor material, in determining listeners' perceptions of a capacitor's quality.

Bob, when I rebuilt my Merlin crossovers I found that adding a .015uf russian FT-1 teflon bypass cap in parallel with the stock midrange/woofer main cap made a small improvement in speed & precision of the driver. When the cap is fully broken in, I will remove it and listen carefully for the mid-range bump you describe.
Dgarretson,
I think you emailed me on the Clarity MR's once?
Anyway if your interested as I see you have been doing some tweaking I have yet found another application that the MR's did not fail.. They are actually perfect to be honest :-)

See link
http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=62730.0