The Room


Most often we hear folks saying the treble's too etched or sharp, sound is too bright and forward and piercing the ears, sound is 2-dimensional and flat, soundstage is lacking, not enough dynamics, bass is too loose or boomy etc. and often pass down comments of the equipment based on their listening experience. I wonder how many folks have a proper listening environment to pass down their judgements on the sound signature of the gears that are being reviewed or listened to. I am still in the learning process and have found that room treatments can have a huge impact on the sound, although in most cases results will vary with different rooms and environments.

I believe that any hard or bright-sounding components(perennial favourites are B&W speakers or Krell amps) when put together in an overdamped room will produce a sound that's dull to the point of being dead. Whenever I read comments on B&W's being harsh-sounding speakers, I don't know if they are being listened in a crappy room with bad acoustics or it's just the haters. Even with very minimal absorption on the sides and diffusion on the back, there is no issue with brightness at all. More absorption would kill off the high frequencies and make it too dull.

Just wanted to share my observations and experience. In my opinion, any particular description of any component's sound, taking individual listening tastes and preferences out of the context may not be too accurate based on the room layout and acoustics itself.

And just to point out, I am in no way associated with any room treatment manufacturers. Just a curious learner and currently still trying out different treatments to improve the acoustics in my small room. Have just got rid of the pyramid foams on my side walls as I figured out I can't live with the looks of it.
ryder
Good point. Room treatments are still one of the greatest untapped resources and many folks with high-end gear still refuse to see them as one of the most critical components in the system synergy. For me personally, acoustic treatments have taken my Hifi to a whole new level.

Happy (acoustic treated) Listening!
WHich is more effective for the ceilng, RPG Skylines or Hemmifusors? And what is the difference between Skyline and Skyline LP? The Skylines reminds me of Jor-El's sanctuary albeit an inverted one minus the crystals. Noticed a few members here with these on the ceiling.

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Skyline LP is Low Profile. It's only 4" deep and has a bandwidth of approximately 1/2 that of the HP. The LP performance and Hemifusor performance is very close, but in my opinion the Hemifusor looks better. Thus if you need a low profile option (4") then I typically use Hemifusors.

There is one exception. Skylines perform well behind acoustically transparent fabric, Hemifusors do not. The two do function on different principles, so there is that caveat to watch out for.
Great post! My feelings exactly. Also I totally agree with Mr. Rives, although I guarantee he knows way more about it than me.

What I like to tell people is that the room does more damage to the sound than a 6 year old adjusting a graphic equalizer for you. I also like to say that this is a measureable fact.

Once I saw several pictures of various reviewers rooms. I lost all respect for their reviews. Why, because I've learned that without a good acoustical environment evaluating any gear is pretty impossible, at least to do it accurately. Acoustics just play to big a role for human to guesstimate what the room is doing. I realize some say they "know" their rooms. I say bull shit. I've been in this hobby since 71 and have owned tons of gear.

No doubt in the world people pay for wire or electronics trying to resolve issues that are caused by their acoustics.

I'm just happy to see others bring this up. I've seen too many mega dollar systems in seriously bad rooms. There's no doubt a 10k system can sound better than a 100k system in a poor room.

Thank you for posting!
Amen to acoustic treatments! I couldn't get the performance I do from my L-shaped room without them, though mine are completely DIY at this time.

In an effort to squeeze even more out of my system I've been doing a lot of research on this topic lately. I believe I've learned a few of the points that have been mentioned here. It seems that most any, if not all, rooms can benefit from LF absorption. There may be no such thing as too much absorption in these frequencies. However, much like Arthur posted, the problem with many absorption products (and DIY recipes) is that they also absorb mid and high frequencies. Depending on the room this can lead to poorer imaging and HF room response. I think many people, including myself, choose to remove some or all of the absorbers after a while due to this effect. I'm not saying that these absorbers are defective, they just may not be the right kind for the given room.

Another point I've learned on this topic is that it is very easy to give up if one doesn't get maximum impact from the first treatment attempt. Most of the time it takes a combination of treatment areas to get the room right. I'm still searching for that combination in my room but the more I learn about this the more educated experiments I can make.

Thanks for adding to my acoustic education!