CD player with Tube Output or Music Server


I play CD’s through an upgraded Audio Space CD8 player from Underwood HiFi. It can be played as solid state or tubed output. To my ear, the tubed output is smoother and seems to have more substance. It definitely sounds less digital through the tubes. I enjoy the player very much and it is definitely the best I have heard in my system compared to mid priced offerings from Sony, Rega, and Cambridge Audio.

The rest of my system is Maggie 3.6’s with W4S Preamp and ST1000 amp. I also run a Technics table with an Ortofon cartridge from KABUSA. The table is more organic and live sounding compared to the CD player.

Anyway… the upgrade bug is starting to itch so I visited my local hi end dealer in the Midwest.

He tried to talk me out of a CD player entirely. He attended the last Las Vegas audio show and was pushing a Naim music server and a DAC for around $5500. He tried to convince me that the Hi resolution capability of this combo would blow away a comparably priced dedicated CD player. He would not even show me his CD players!

So.....

1. What are your thoughts about what this dealer is telling me?

I am kind of convinced that I still want the dedicated CD player because I am not sold on computer audio. It just seems too hi tech for me....also, I am not so sure I need $5000 worth of Naim equipment to get the high resolution sound.

2. What are your thoughts about a good CD player that would be a significant upgrade that would sound live and smooth? I am thinking about the $5000 range new or around half much that used.

I appreciate any and all feedback!
dsper
"I am learning and it got me thinking which will always result in more ignorant questions. So...

I get the impression that the cabling between the computer and DAC or transport and DAC is very important to sound quality.

Is this true?

If so, is there emperical proof to support this or do we wander off into another whole great speaker wire debate?

My goal is simply to understand as the cabling question is going to be there unless one buys a CDP, so I hope that I do not offend anyone by asking."

I don't think your questions are ignorant. As long as their honest questions, who cares? Theres no need to justify them.

With regard to your cable concern, I'll add a couple of things. First is that cables do make a difference and can enhance the sound quality of your system. Second thing is, don't carried away with them. Quite often, I see people put the importance of cables equal to, and sometimes even more, than other components. I believe thats a mistake. I would suggest that your pick your components first. Once you have everything in place, then start looking into cables. If your expectations are too high, you might be very disappointed. Also, if you're reading equipment reviews, its sometimes easy to get caught up in the description of how the cable sounds (or any other component, for that matter), and loose track on the real improvement you can expect. I'm not questioning the honesty of the reviewers. Its just very difficult to convey how a piece of audio gear sounds using only words.
Why not both? Aesthetix Romulus is the Pandora (DAC with USB and S/PDIF) with a CD transport built in. Haven't heard it yet, but I intend to very soon.
I have Esoteric K-01 SACD/CD Player where DAC section has two digital inputs and thus I can use it with my server, Musica Pristina Virtioso. If you recall, this SACD/CD Esoteric Transport is considered best in the world Still, question what so ever, the same recording played as digital file from Musica Pristina sounds MUCH better then optical (CD) disc played by Esoteric Transport. Same DAC, obviously used.

Do your own conclusion.
A tube lover wanting a new CD player. Can I suggest an Audio Note tubed DAC. I have the 3.1 SE and it is TRULY MAGICAL, 5687s tubed heaven.

You have the same realisation I came to, that having tubes in the path are good news for decent CD replay. However, it is not the only story.

I firmly believe you also need:

1. None Oversampling (treble smoothness to die for)
2. No Brick Wall Filter (remarkable improvement)
3. Bass texture and weight to get the blood flowing
4. Tactile and detailed bass tones
5. The famous midrange of tubes well done
6. Transformer coupled output for dynamics and load tolerance
7. Top quality caps and tantalum resistors, silver wiring.

All the above come in spades with the Audio Note DACs. And don't panic if you think they are crazy money. I went for the Kit version at Audio Note Kits (Canada). It was a breeze to build and I have a 7k+ DAC for 2k.

Check out my build pages here:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/649947/check-out-my-audio-note-dac-3-1-se-build

You could use your existing CDP as a transport, or buy a second hand CEC belt CDP for 800 US and you are done.

I use both a CDP for normal CD replay, and a Mac Mini with M2Tech EVO for my music streamer.

Ping me if you need further info.
Sunandmusic,

How complicated is it to build an AN DAC? I have soldered new capacitors in large Advents, but this looks like it this would be at a higher required skill level.