Looking to get started. please help


Hi everyone. I am new here. I had a friend suggest I check this site out. I am really new to higher end audio and am looking for some help!

For years I have been listening to music on a crappy surround sound system and I feel it's time to move on.

I know I am at the VERY low end, but right now I would like to spend about $1500 on speakers and amp at the most to move on to something better. Over time, I'd invest more money, but that's my max at the moment.

My main sources for listening to music would be a record player, my iPod, computer and occasionally my TV. Because I am not really into movies or anything like that, I've definitely decided I don't need anything more than a 2-channel system.

I went to a local shop and this was what was recommended to me...

Receiver - Onkyo
http://us.onkyo.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-8050&class=Receiver&source=prodClass

Speakers - PSB
http://www.wwstereo.com/PSB/IMAGINEBBA

But, then someone told me to come to this site and ask for advice. I was also told that I really shouldn't get a receiver, but instead get an integrated amp.

I really need help! Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
rootsrockreggae
The room would be a family den type of situation. Not solely a listening room.

Mesch and Tonyangel, I am really zeroing in on the Tekton m-lores... to at least try them. Would you guys recommend other speakers that may be cheaper or better in that price range?
If u have the space...a 40 Hz floorstander would provide ample bass until a sub is added...they also don't require stands...which are a hidden cost for small speakers...for mainstream, easy to find, good sounding products I like Infinity...
If you're looking for a floorstander you might consider the Magapan MMG's. There new and they would ship from the Magapan factory w/a trial period. I believe under $600. They would sound unlike any box spk! Bass output may be an issue depending on the type of music. Give them some thought...your NAD would drive them fine. Not many new Floorstanders under $700. Used no problem, but I would like to see the factory shipping cartons. Vandersteen's, PSB Silver's, Paradigm 5/7's. Bookshelf spks. easlier to ship and a world of choices. It looks like the spks. you are considering use a Vifa tweeter. Good tweeter. Not sure about the tweeter below the woofer design. Older Mission Freedom spks. were this way. Let us know what you get and how you like them! Bill
Rootsrockreggae,

The reason I asked about the listening room is because speakers do require setting up; meaning that they need to be placed in a particular location and orientation relative to each other in your room to sound their best.

I've never heard the M-Lores, but I did do some reading up and at least one reviewer commented that he was getting some phase variations that were getting his goat, until he got the speakers setup right. So, what I got out of his review was that the speakers were great, when they were set up in an ideal or near ideal position; which I believe was a number of feet from the rear wall and being tilted up a notch. Can you do all of that in your listening room that happens to be in your living space?

The point I'm trying to make is that the trick isn't to get the best sounding speakers. The trick is to get the speakers that sound the best in your home. Some speakers are more sensitive to placement than others.

You could compare brand A to brand B in the store and Brand A could surpass Brand B by a large margin; but Brand B could be less sensitive to placement and offer the same quality of sound no matter where they are placed, while Brand A actually sounds a lot worse when setup in less than ideal conditions.

I've been limited by space and kids/grand kids, so all of my experience is with very small speakers. I must have speakers that will physically fit on a bookshelf out of the way and be less likely to attract attention. I don't want a child pulling a 30+ pound speaker down on top of themselves. Hey, life is a compromise.

Just in the last year, I've gone through three sets of speakers. System Audio SA-505s, Paradigm Studio 10s and now Silverline Minuets. The System Audios were wonderful in the store. They sounded better than B&Ws and Paradigms and a couple of others in the near price range. Very small at around 10" tall and man could they make big music, but they didn't do rock well where I had to put them.

I then traded up to the Studio 10s. They didn't sound as good as the System Audios in the store, but I figured that their front ports would help. Wrong choice. Definitely speakers that need a bit of room to breathe. They wanted to be where they wanted to be, not where I needed them to be.

I recently came into a pair of Silverline Minuets. Tiny little things with itty bitty 3" drivers. I got them because I needed to sell something and I was offered these on a trade. I figured what the heck, based on the reviews.

Well, I've gotta say, I stuck gold. I don't know how they would sound on a pair of stands properly set up, but I'll tell you, these things are not very picky about where you put them. They sound very good sitting on shelves in an entertainment center. In fact, I've tried several configurations and can't make them sound bad. They make big music and are the best sounding speakers I've had in my system, in light of where I need to put them.

I'm not trying to sell you on the Minuets, I'm just trying to make a point. You have considerations to make. I know because I've been there and am still here.

I run small speakers because my wife just had to have an entertainment center and I don't want a speaker falling on a little tike. All of my electronics are either behind closed doors or up high. I just control everything with a Harmony 900 RF setup so I don't need line of sight for the remote to work.

Whether you get floor standers or something that will fit on a shelf, I don't think that you should be asking about which speakers sound the best. You should be asking about which speakers sound good without being too particular about placement.

If you are reading reviews, pay attention to the comments made by the reviewer. Comments like the speakers needing to be four feet from the rear wall and two feet from the side wall (which would have you with speakers and wires in the way of everything).

Like others, I'd also suggest that you buy used. If you buy quality speakers used and at a fair price, you won't take much of a beating if you decide that you have to sell them. If you buy those Tektons brand new for $650, what do you think you'll get for them on the used market?
Very good points! Placement, room, electronis and many other factors involved. Buying used is a exc. way to save $, but if I were to buy a used set of floorstanders I'd look for the factory shipping cartons. Blookshelf spks. are easiler to ship and hopefully the seller will know how to pack. A trial period is a good thing w/new spks., but you'll probably have to pay the return shipping if you don't like them. Shipping is not cheap. In your price range, there are not many floorstanders under $700. I've bought tons of equipment over the yrs. I honestly have to say, its a matter of finding which go well w/each other and it which space they are set-up in. You could very easily find used bookshelf spks. and stands for a song. Just for example, on Ebay used PSB 400's. Vifa drivers, warm sound, large cabinets and plain looking appearance. But, they will have a nice musical, warm sound. Same w/ Snell K's. Vifa Drivers. Musical. Many of these spks. have foam surrounds, so I'd look to see if they've been refoamed. Some spks. have rubber surrounds like ADS to name one. They are excellent spks. Tannoy are excellent spks also. You may even find an older discountinued new set of Fusion (3 or 4's) floorstanders. Mirage made Bi-polar spks. which have drivers front and rear. Fills the room w/sound, but IMO loses some imaging and freq. extension/accuracy. I wish you success in finding something the family will enjoy! Bill