Why is the market for used Levinson amps so slow?


I've tried to sell my 334s without luck, and I've been watching others have similar problems. The used Levinson market was so hot a couple of years ago. What gives?
irvrobinson
Tmsorosk,
I take issue with your insistence that Levinson has no reliability, service, and credibility issues. I have documented my experiences above and I assure you that I could tell you many other true stories from people I know since Harman kicked the Madrigal out of Levinson. I myself experienced my pair of Levinson 436 amps falling into a black hole for a year and a half at which point they were returned to me still broken, returned broken again, and then broken again, to have them send me a new pair because of their ineptness, which also DOA on arrival. It took 2 years to get the amps back and working. Then there were my friend's #33 Reference amps which gave him a similar experience at 350lbs this was no laughing manner. I helped uncrate, setup, and recrate these amps several times much to my bodie's apparent displeasure, but when the 33s sang there was nothing like them.

To get my Levinson Reference 31.5 serviced at one of the service centers cost $1400.00 up front no matter what the issue was. This had to be charged on your credit card before they would issue an RA. You were only supposed to be charged what it cost to fix it, but, you guessed it, the repair of the product always took the full amount charged.

I have a good friend that worked at the largest volume Levinson dealer in the world at this time. Levinson could not supply them with parts or product for months after the Harman coup, up to a year and a half in some cases. The dealer ended up eating the cost of these products and supplying the custys with brand new alternate and equivalent products to keep their relationship good with custys. As a result, the company kicked out Levinson for its executives had no answers as to what was going to happen to the company. My friend sold his complete Levinson Reference system and counseled me to do the same with mine which I did with lots of regret. A Reference system consisted of the #33 amps, #32 preamp,#31.5 DAC,#30.6 DAC and the Revel Salons which adds up to about a $100 grand or so. I had everything accept the 33amps but used 2 pair of 436 amps to biamp the Salons. In a lot of ways I still miss this system. It looked and sounded awesome.

Since dumping Mark Glazier and the fine folks that made Madrigal (Levinson, Proceed, and Revel) (For some reason Harman treated Revel differently. Maybe because they had a separate plant in CA under designer Kevin Voecks. ) Levinson has had several presidents and been relocated at least 3 times that I know of. I believe Levinson is now made at the Crown plant and technology is shared. I believe service is still provided as outlined above.

Levinson under Madrigal was at its zenith in the 80s. Mark Levinson was long gone from the company by that time and Mark Glazier was the president and steward of the brand. Owning Levinson at this time was pure pleasure. The folks at Madrigal were unmatched as representatives of the line. After you called with questions the techs would soon know your name, served as audio consultants and were always there to provide advice on system setup and upgrades. They were probably one of the best in the business at that time. Levinson did not belong to the new product each year club. Because of their painstaking design work and attention to detail it might be several before a new upgraded design would be implemented. Many components could be upgraded at the dealers or the factory without having to buy a whole new component.

As for the capacitors going bad in the 300 series amps, it is true that the vendor of the caps Levinson used sold Levinson a great deal of caps which did not have a long longevity. Once this problem was known, Levinson under Madrigal, would replace the caps at no charge to the owners and I believe would pay the freight one way. I'm not sure if Harman Levinson would do the same. I doubt it.

So if you include the above paragraphs I've written you have the well and documented Levinson story. There are signs that Harman is trying to revive the line and restore some of its dignity once again. There new product and new dealers have been added. I was told that the main reason Harman is still making Levinson equipment is because the Levinson car audio is such a cash cow.

I still take out my deluxe coffee table book which Levinson Madrigal produced for the Reference Line and look through it fondly and think about collecting each piece again. As an audio brochure I've still not seen its equal.

I would be glad to try to supply the answers to any questions about the line you have as obviously I know a little bit about the product and company.
Sgr,
I`m impressed by your exceptional patience and fortitude. Two years just to get a faulty amplifier repaired/replaced! That`s more than I could ever put up with.
Sgr,, I apologize if my responses upset you , it was not my intention. I am not questioning your experiences, your posts sound very credible and true. But our experiences with ML are quite different, I hope you can see and respect that.
05-22-12: Charles1dad
Sgr,
I`m impressed by your exceptional patience and fortitude. Two years just to get a faulty amplifier repaired/replaced! That`s more than I could ever put up with.

I agree completely.
Timsorosk,
I was not upset. I'm glad you have nothing but great experiences. That's what I had before Madrigal was kicked out. And it was Harman's disregard for the customer that made me eventually sell my stuff. They did send a bottle of wine and a loaner amplifier eventually. But you would not believe how many fabrications I was told about those amps and why they were taking so long to service them. It turned out they "lost" them.
Thanks Tpreaves and and Charles1dad. It took the patience of Job not to go off on them at the time. So I ended up writing letters to the President of Harman and Levinson before I got everything all straightened out.

Alls well that ends well as I have a much better system now.
I just wanted to record this info for those interested.
I'm hopeful that Levinison might recover as they are at least offering new product now. But I'd really watch what Harman might be up to, as Harman was/is for sale I believe and who knows what then could happen.
Thanks for reading.
Steve