Wavac PR-T1 thoughts?


Does anyone have thoughts on this preamp mated to Gryphon Antileon Signature monoblocks? I'm about to order one without really auditioning it since the deal was good. I've read the reviews and discussions on here but it doesn't seem like many people actually use it (probably because it's big bux). None of the bigger magazines have reviewed it.

The Bat Rex keeps coming up as a contender and I will try and audition this too.

Can I go wrong with the Wavac?

enzo618
10K ohm input impedance on the Gryphon amps according to specs is not a great # for use with tube pre-amps, which tend to have higher output impedance than SS amps in general.

The Wavac advertises 600 ohm output impedance, which is a nominal estimate and can vary at different frequencies.

Of course specs are just guidelines. If you hear any problems with clarity or loose, messy and not clean clear and dynamic sound, this matching might be something to look more closely at also.
BAT, Joule, Lamm all list 200 ohm output specs for their top preamp models. VAC lists <150.
So 600ohms may be too high of a resistance to the Gryphon amps you think? Ie too high of an output resistance coupled with too high of an input resistance means not enough signal gets through?
too high of an output resistance coupled with too high of an input resistance means not enough signal gets through?
No, the main problem is that neither impedance, especially the preamp output impedance, is likely to be perfectly constant with frequency. The amount of signal that is seen by the power amp input is dependent on the ratio of power amp input impedance to the total of the two impedances. Therefore if the two impedances do not vary with frequency in an identical manner, the overall frequency response will become non-flat.

Higher power amp input impedance and/or lower preamp output impedance will reduce the significance of whatever variations may be present in the impedance vs. frequency characteristics.

Tube preamps usually have an output impedance that rises considerably at deep bass frequencies (approaching 20Hz), due to the coupling capacitor at their output. That will result in reduced deep bass response if the power amp input impedance is not high enough. I see, however, that the PR-T1 is transformer coupled, apparently with no capacitors in the signal path at all, so that should not be a concern in this case.

Another effect that can occur, although it is usually much less of a concern, is that if the output impedance of the preamp is high at HIGH frequencies, and the capacitance of the interconnect cable is high (due to the cable being very long and/or having high capacitance per unit length), the preamp's output impedance and the cable capacitance will act together as a low pass filter, producing a slight dulling of the upper treble, and also resulting in transient response that may be perceived as sluggish.

Regards,
-- Al
Al - great information & very much appreciated. I know a few owners that uses the PR T1 + Gryphons and swear there's no impedence issue. It's a risk so I do need to think it over. The safest is using the Gryphon Mirage which I have actually heard and seems to be quite good (whatever that means).