Has Anyone Found Shunyata Cables Sounding Thin?


I have noticed this with the introduction of some of Shunyata's latest offerings into my system. They are great cables but they need help in my system. I run cables in series to solve the problem and the results are stunning -- while going against audio principles and accepted audio "wisdom".
sabai
Douglas_schroeder,

You stated "I don't need to hear anyone else's rig ..." Congratulations. I'm glad to hear you've got it all figured out.

But you got it right when you stated "you can't judge because you haven't heard my system". I think this is quite an obvious observation -- clear, direct and to the point. Although there may be "no solid ground" for you with "such methods and logic".

By the way, here's a hypothetical situation. Your best audiophile friend invites you over. He's been doing some odd experiments, much to your surprise. He tells you he's running a cable or 2 in series and would like you to have a listen. Your response:

1. You're not interested in hearing this crap. You already know it's a crock of BS. You have it figured out already.
2. OK, why not, power up and let's give it a go.

Would you choose #1 or #2?

I am not taking about a "philosophy of audio" in any respect -- let alone one that is "superior" to another. I am only talking about what works and what does not work in my system. As stated clearly in the OP. Plain and simple.

Zd542,

You got it right when you stated "That sounds to me like he tried the cables both ways." I have done extensive testing with Shunyata digital, IC and PC cabling alone. In my system, may I repeat "in my system", the series cabling I use is superior to the Shunyata cables used alone. I suspect this may be because of the synergy created -- both cables using identical OCC copper wire that has been cryogenically treated. Series cabling with my Elrod cables does not work at all. The sound seriously degrades in this case.

Knghifi,

You make a good observation about the S-30 driving my speakers. But since I use Paul Speltz auto-transformers I have headroom of about 30db -- often more -- on most recordings, and headroom of 15db to 20db on the "worst" recordings. There is no distortion at all in the SQ.

Charles1dad,

I just loved the Raidhos when I heard them. I already had the S-30 in my system. I knew it would be a gamble with the Raidhos. Michael Borresen (Raidho) and Ralph Karsten (Atma-Sphere) both expressed concerned to me about this. And, in fact, there was little headroom when I first paired them up. But the addition of the Paul Speltz auto-transformers solved the problem. I am more than delighted with the sonic results.
Sabai,
Thanks for your reply, I understand, increasing the load driven (ohms) benefits the OTL amplifier.
Charles,
Sabai, thanks for the clarification regarding trying the Shunyata cables alone. But, as I said I am done discussing this with you.
Michael Borresen (Raidho) and Ralph Karsten (Atma-Sphere) both expressed concerned to me about this.
Should listen to Michael and Ralph.

But the addition of the Paul Speltz auto-transformers solved the problem. I am more than delighted with the sonic results
Obviously you're not delighted with the sonic results and trying to solve the thinness by adding cables in a series. You're making a bad situation worse.

I Googled reviews on your speaker and reviewers are using VTL 450 and best results a Rowland 625, 300wpc SS amp.

Well, it's your system so attack however you want.
Douglas_schroeder,

You stated "a so-so wire" when referring to top-of-line Furutech cables. Well, as I have already stated, the facts are that all Furutech products use only top-quality OCC copper -- deep cryo-ed -- identical to Shunyata cables. In an attempt to differentiate them from Shunyata cables these important facts are tossed out your window. Sorry, there are no brownie points for this sort of thing.

As I said earlier I am glad to hear you have it all figured out. This is like listening to naysayers who are experts in snake oil and BS meters. We all know how this manifests itself on the forum. I remember the old days when Jack Bybee was considered a voodoo practitioner. Do you know how many people sneered and scoffed and LOL-ed at the mere mention of the name Bybee? Now Jack Bybee is venerated as the grandfather of the "tweak" era.

But some people don't need to hear things -- they simply know in advance what is worthy and what is not thanks to iron-clad theories -- theories that are beyond question. As I said earlier, I'm glad you have it all figured out. Congratulations.