Best Amp for Timbre, Depth and Spatial Resolution?


I have an Ayre CD player, BADA Alpha DAC, deHavilland Mercury pre-amp, CJ MF-2500A amp and N802 - am looking to upgrade amp.
Would like to hear views on Best Amp for Timbre, Depth and Spatial Resolution.
Not married to tube or SS..
Always wonder about Stereophile recommended components such as Aesthetix Atlas, Parasound JC-1, CJ LP-125 and the likes. I would pay about $5k on Agon so there are some limitations.
Thanks.
128x128johnmc67

My initial intention when opening this thread in my browser was to actually share my opinion on the depth and spatial resolution. I'll try to convey also what I think Bo is meaning when he refers to 2D and 3D sound. As English is not my first language, I should apologies in advance for the occasional typos (the post is quite long). Also, since the atmosphere here is a bit "hot", and I was made aware a few times that I might come across as overconfident and/or patronizing, I should also say that this post is in no way meant to be condescending. (I write in English mostly technical/scientific stuff and that is why I might sound rigid and/or overconfident). So here it goes:

IMO, speaker placement is the most critical detail for obtaining a good depth and spatial resolution. Changing speakers, amplifiers, cd players, cables, etc. can only do so much if the speakers are not properly placed in ones room.

I'll start by note that most often people make sure that the speakers are orientated symmetrically with respect to their listening position, i.e. have the same distance and the same orientation and toe in. Unfortunately, very often that is not enough for obtaining the 3 dimensional sound often referred by Bo. While one obtains a centered voice and, for example, the guitar on the left side and the bass on the right side, everything is pretty much in the same plane, i.e. we have the 2 dimensional sound as referred by Bo. This happens because very often the walls in one's room are not identical from an acoustic point of view. As a result, even though the two speakers are placed symmetrically with respect to the listening position, their frequency response (and wave characteristics) of the two speakers are not similar at the listening position.

I'll give two common examples. First, below 300 Hz, the two speakers can have significantly different responses even when the two speakers are placed symmetrically with respect to the room's boundaries. (This happens because we have low standing waves formed due to reflections between the walls of the audio room, but also between the walls of other neighboring rooms with respect to which the speakers are not positioned semitonically.) A second example, is the case of L-shaped rooms, where one speaker is placed close to a corner while the other one close to an opening. In this case the speaker in the corner will not only put out more bas but will always sound a bit louder than the other one. Unless special measures are taken, both these situations will lead to a partial (or complete) loos of the three dimensional spatial information recored on the album.

The easiest way to solve this problem is to use a room correction software, which is what Bo is actually doing. He is using as pre-amplfier a high-end Onkyo home theater preamplifier which comes with Audyssey Pro software. Among other things, this software makes sure that the two speakers have identical responses at the listening chair. I have actually told him quite a few times that I believe his claims. However, I have also pointed out quite a few times that the timber of instruments is most often more important that the stereo image sound stage.

I'll stop here as the post has gotten very long. If the discussion goes well and people are interested, I will also post my thoughts about the effect of room correction on the timber.

Paul
Paul,
You're doing just fine with your thoughtful and interesting post, please contribute more. We all have our specific priorities and hierarchy of what's important to achieve in an audio system. I same as you place a very high importance of preserving tone, timbre and harmonics/overtones as realistic as I can accomplish.
Charles,
Paul and Charles +1. I also feel the same as you Charles.

Having said that I disagree with Bo WHEN it comes to the LACK of the B&W 800-802 D series speakers to have a 3D stage, width and depth. Besides owning a pair, I have heard them in MANY different systems and WHEN set up properly, per Paul's post, they have a fine 3D stage, etc.

Also Bo seems to go out of his way to bash B&W wherever and whenever he can. Bo, the latest D series has a total upgrade to the parts, including wiring, of the crossover.
I have heard the speaker brand you tout and while it is a fine speaker, IMHO, it is not any better then the brand you criticize.
I like the Dutch actually, and will call out Bo on his innacurate nonesense (to NOT do so is simply wimpy) until I get tired of it. Paul...really..."semitonically?" (huh?)..."walls of neighboring rooms?"...you are utterly wrong. Non identical walls help cancel standing waves. Placing speakers in unmatched acoustic boundaries does not necessarily remove the soundstage image originally created by the mixer's careful use of panning faders, it merely alters the balance of it (not necessarily a good thing, but that's what ACTUALLY happens). I like to listen to an accurate stereo image (as close to what I feel the engineer was shooting for), and don't need to use corners (note: some serious audio freaks LIKE corners...a lot!), but please don't try to pass this stuff by this crowd as some here actually know what's what. I think this discussion is going very well!
Wolf, it is a typo of course. It should read "symmetrical" and not "semitonically". I have push the "Submit now" button instead of the "Preview firs" by mistake, and you guys have posted before I was able to edit the post. I'll get back to you regarding the effects of parallel and non-parallel walls.