Need help with Spica TC-50 / Kinergetics setup


I have an older speaker set (circa 1988) and looking for someone who can help me make my system a little more bigger sounding.

I'm hoping someone knows about (i.e. "remembers") the Spica TC-50s and Kinergetics SW-200 subs and can help me out with getting more out of them. This is one of the few online forums where I found reference to the speakers anywhere! The Spica / Kinergetics were always rated very high for vocals, but maybe aren't the best for home theatre:

Main: Spica TC-50's
Sub: Kinergetics SW-200
Surround: Jamo 80(?)
Center: None.
Amp: Harmon Kardon AV300

I'm not a super audiophile (in fact I know very little!), but would like a good sounding theatre system with a lot more punch. It seems like the bass is easily overwhelmed and the kinergetics clip very easily with my current set up.

Is there anyone out there that remembers the Spica / Kinergetics and can give me advice to make my system more exciting?!

Am I expecting too much from my speakers?
Would a center speaker help? What would be a good match?
Do I need a better amp?

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks!

John
robotman
I think you have an old, but, realy nice little music system there. In that regard I would suggest a better amp for the Spicas. Neither the Spicas or the Kinergetics was really designed for home theatre. The Kinergetics was intended to augment speakers like the Spicas (which are not know for their bombastic dynamics, quite the opposite) with a bit more bottom and touch more punch for the typical small music system of its day. Heck DVD's weren't even around when this stuff was introduced. I'm sure I'm not alone, when I say that I'd hate to talk you out of keeping this stuff. It would be very hard to get a comparable music system for it's present day value. If you have your heart set on home theatre (I can offer a multitude of reasons why I would suggest reconsidering, but, that not my place) perhaps some other gear might serve you better. You might want to have a tech look at the Kinergetics.
Thanks for the input. Seems the consensus is that, although a good speaker set for music, the Spica / Kinergetics just aren't for home theater. And that maybe my Kinergetics have a power supply problem on top of everything else.

Can anyone suggest a good tech in the SF Area? (maybe I should repost a thread in "tech talk")
I noticed that you posted that one speaker is the same distance from the back wall as it is from the side wall. Am I correct to assume that your speakers are not set up from the center of a wall, and the speakers have different distances from rear and/or side walls. As your set up is in a square room, having the same distance from side to rear is compounding that problem. If each speaker has a different distance from the rear wall you might have slight inequity in bass response. If each speaker, has a different distance to side walls you may have image shift or even a spectral discrepency where one side may seem brighter than the other. Perhaps you can describe the positioning of your system and your listening position. May I humbly suggest playing with an unorthodox set up, where your listening position and system is set up diagonaly across the room, where your speakers would both have the same distance from the slanting rear wall and the same (but different from the previous distance) from the slanting side walls. This would allow your video monito to be placed further back from the plane of you speakers (good) and might facilitate another Spica TC50's proper equidistant set back for a center channel (good). There may be some other advantges that due to the fact I'm only guessing at, I'll keep to myself. Play with this before purchasing that center channel. This may make things sound better. Of course it may make things sound worse.
Hey, you're in SF area. If you're interested, and if you're anywhere near Fremont then feel free to email and drop by to hear my Spica Angelus / REL strata setup. It might give you an idea about whether a better sub would fix things.
Seems like the consensus is that with the good imaging Spica's, that a center channel would only make things worse.

I posted in my other thread that it seems like just the right sub speakers are having the problem and was wondering if room configuration can actually make the speakers have the problem I'm having. Check out the thread here for what I've observed:

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl? htech&1069370656&openusid&zzRobotman&4&&

(If the link doesn't work, it's in the tech talk under "what causes clipping?")

The room is a bit hard to describe because there is about a 2' room divider. The left speaker sits in the "corner" of the room divider and the back wall. The front of the left speakers are basically up to the end of the divider.

The room the set up is in is about 15' deep and 20' wide (but the divider is at 15'). The entire room is next to a larger room.

Not sure if that makes sense. No one has told me yet if room size can actually cause speakers to jackhammer like my right subs are or if I have an actual speaker problem... check out my other thread for a description.

Thanks for your help!
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