Why spend megabucks on a tuner?


I've seen old Marantz and McIntosh tuners sold here on Audiogon for a fortune. My question is: Why?

Most radio stations now have highly compressed dynamics. Most of the few that don't (for my location, anyway) are located on the fringes of reception. And then what happens when you move to a different location, which may have even fewer good listening choices?

At least with a turntable or CD player, I feel that you have a lot more choices. And, it's not location-dependent. With streaming audio becoming a reality for most people, and now HD radio (which I'll admit I haven't heard yet), why is there still such a market for high-end tuners?

Michael
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Please indulge a dumb question. How can you tell if a particular station is transmitting a compressed signal? In the interest of a point of reference, Kusina - I'm about 60 miles south of Boston, but can pick up many of the Boston stations. Which stations were you referring to?
In reply to Frankm1: The term "compression" in audiophile circles is usually used to mean a reduction in dynamic range. That is, differences between loud and soft passages in source materials are reduced or "compressed" so that musical information of different sorts is presented at more or less the same volume level. That is not necessarily bad. This, for instance, compression is often useful for listening to music through car radios. Soft passages, that might be lost or obscured because of road and engine noise, can be heard, and loud passages on source materials are not startling or distracting. Further, music heard at relatively low volume settings seems richer, because much of the information is not lost although its loudness ratios have been altered. Audiophiles, however, often dislike compression when seriously listening to music at home on high-end equipment. Compression re-arranges what is recorded on the source material, and reduction in dynamic range inevitably makes the music sound less lifelike. Unfortunately, however, managers of FM stations tend to see their audiences as consisting of people who listen to car radios and to relatively unsophisticated home radios; audiophiles are considered a minority (if they are considered at all). Furthermore, from the audiophile's perspective, FM broadcasts are already tainted in that federal regulations require truncated signals, where treble and bass are cut off (I forget what the cutoff points are: perhaps someone might supply them here).
Despite these handicaps, I and many others enjoy listening to FM radio on our home systems. All high fi involves compromises of one sort or another, and we would drive ourselves insane if we insisted on perfection at every turn. Thus, for instance, while LPs have certain advantages over CDs (most notably in facilitating longer decays of notes and better hall ambience), CDs have superior dynamics. Compared to CDs, LPs can be said to be compressed (compressed as an artifact of the nature of the medium rather than as a result of human intention). But, as many Audiogoners will attest, listening to LPs can be a wonderful experience. For that matter, I greatly enjoy my car radio, even though it is standard equipment on my car and not up to the calibre of some car stereos. The best way to proceed, I think, is to take pleasure where we can find it, even though we know that sonics are better elsewhere.
Frankm1 lives some sixty miles from Boston and asks what stations I listen to. Since I prefer classical music on FM, I listen mostly to WCRB (99.5), WGBH (89.7),and WHRB (95.3). WCRB sometimes strikes me as compressing a bit on symphonic presentations. That is, the dynamic range seems smaller than what I get when listening to CDs. WHRB, Harvard University's station, doesn't seem to compress or to compress as much, though expected compression occurs through WHRB's great use of LPs. Harvard, moreover, plays pieces that are less frequently played on other stations, thus enhancing one's musical education. Often enough, however, the student announcers seem supercompressed in the articulation of their messages, and they not infrequently stumble in their reading.
I would like to address Elizabeth's post briefly. Your $15 bargain is, I think, really a bargain because you get pleasure out of listening to it. But that, in my opinion, doesn't mean that one ought not to spend more than $15 on FM. I have several FM tuners. One, an HH Scott 350B, was made in the early 1960s. I enjoy listening to each of them. But they differ in quality. The one hooked up to my main system is clearly better than the others, and while I enjoy all of them, I enjoy that one even more because of its ability to present more of the musical information and to so more accurately (it is an Accuphase T-1000, connected through its digital out by a Stealth digital cable to a Reimyo DAC). It costs a lot more than $15, but I don't begrudge one cent of the expenditure.
I listen to FM more because I like to hear new material or songs I don't own bur remember fondly.

Yes, I would agree that most FM listening is now via car radios. This is where I get most of my FM listening. Yes, compressed music in an automotive environment does make sense....I am, first, driving my car somewhere...while filling in the time with my music.

At home I usually go for streaming audio when I am not listening to my playlists. Some years ago I found an old Fisher Series Eighty AM/FM (mono!) tuner. I gave the man $15.00 for it. I spent a pretty fortune having it restored and it does sound sweet.

But I have a slimdevices Transporter now and it's own DAC is really good. It is rare that I now power up the old Fisher.
Well vintage tuner's make great nightlights. Actually, Unclejeff hit the nail on the head. Listen to hear new music and remind yourself about great music you don't yet own or just haven't pulled out and enjoyed for a while. After listening to Jeff Buckley sing Leonard Cohen's song "Hallelujah" last weekend I knew it was one I had to buy. What a voice! As an aside, saw that download speeds could be at dialup speeds by 2010 due to gridlock as consumer demand increases. Wonder how that will affect streaming.
Sorry I'm late to this discussion. I have just replaced several components in my main listening system and am now listening through a wonderful pair of JM Lab 927Be Speakers. I've been a regular listener to two local stations - one classical and one college jazz station - that do not compress their signals. I have a nicely restored McIntosh MR-73 Tuner that I had restored about six years ago that does a great job picking up local stations. One of the things I enjoy about my morning listening to the classical FM station; is the vast number of CDs they play as well as news broadcasts on the hour from the BBC. In some cases, I will chase down the CD at a local shop or make a point of seeing the piece performed live by our local Oregon Symphony.
While I'm more than aware that many of the stations compress their signal; I'm blessed to have two that I listen to frequently that don't. By the way, I bought the
tuner through an E-Bay auction at a great price and even after the restoration - with a new glass panel and new bulbs - I could easily sell it for more than I paid for it some six years ago.
It's easy to dismiss FM radio if you don't have any great stations to listen to, but I'm fortunate to have them.