40ft: speaker cable or interconnect?


After reconfiguring my HT my LCR speakers are about 40 feet from my amp (Bryston 5b-st). I used to have 20-25 ft. runs and things sounded good. I used Frank's (Signal Cable) classic speaker cables.

Now that I've added another 15 feet, should I switch over to interconnects and relocate my amp near the speakers? Aesthetically, I prefer not to do this, but if 40 feet of speaker run isn't recommended, I'd consider it. I might also switch over to mono amps if I did this to minimize foot print up front (maybe Nuforce Ref9 or the like.)

Thanks,
John
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John, one thing to keep in mind is the output impedance of your preamp and the input impedance of the amp. I was in the same situation as you last year, and discovered to my dismay that my old amp's input stage oscillated uncontrolably with long ICs. I don't think this will happen with the Bryston, but you may want to call both Bryston and your pre's manufacturer to see if there are any recommendations in this scenario.
I tired last night to get a balanced connector through the flexible conduit but it won't fit. Unbalanced works fine. I don't want to push the wire through and then put a connector on after it passes through. That means I'd need to use unbalanced or speaker level.

Sounds like some thought unbalanced over this long a run is no better than speaker cable. Does that sound like the general consensus?
I recommend balanced interconnects when using long runs. Single ended ones suffer from high frequency roll-off and also can be much more susceptible to noise, which are significant reasons why balanced connections used exclusively in professional applications.
John, long single ended *is* possible. I solved the problem I was having (described above) by moving to a new amp (which I was coincidentally looking to do anyway). My new amp is an AVA FetValve, which has a very high (and stable) input imdedance and makes for an easy load to drive with long ICs. The AVA only has RCA in, so I tried a few things and went with well shielded RCA ICs (Purist Venustas) that are 30 ft long. I compared them to what I was using in my old arrangement (Kimber KCAG at 1.5m) and discovered no discernable rolloff or ill effects in using the Purist cables. The resulting combination works very well for me. YMMV, and I would suggest being very careful to assess all parts of the system in trying to find out if this might work with your equipment - even to where the cables will be routed relative to other sources of potential interference. But it can work.
My results are identical to Tonyptony. I have nearly 40 foot runs between my tube preamp and amps. The amps are VTL 750 (single ended design) so I use RCA connectors at both ends.

Just because an amp has XLR connectors does NOT mean it's balanced.

Many amps have both types of input jack but pulling the cover you discover there are jumpers running from the XLR over to the RCA.

At that point it's merely a convenience jack, providing a place for the owner to use an existing cable. There is no gain to be had wiring the circuit this way, unless you just happen to prefer the XLR connector over the RCA design.

The trick to maintaining performance is choosing LOW IMPEDANCE, low loss interconnect cables. The reason Tony had positive results, the Venustas he choose are approximately 17 pf per meter, meaning a 50 foot single ended run represents a capacitive load of only 250 pf.

I don't have the charts or specs for the input impedance of your amp/preamp, but I'll bet roll off would not occur until about 300,000 kHz. ThatÂ’s far beyond the range of doing harm to music bandwidth and should provide you with the lesser of the two evils of running signal over a long path.

Whatever brand of cable you choose, be sure the impedance of your amp/preamp interface COMBINED with the total pf capacitance of the cable run do not represent a bandwidth problem. Most engineers understand this, you might call an impartial party such as the maker of your amps for specs and advice for maximum load that can be placed on your equipment.