Cartridge upgrade for VPI Scout

Intelligent suggestion by Stringreen. A base like the Cloud might well darken the sound.

In addition, before dropping money on a cartridge I'd try all of the following:
- reduce VTF
- reduce/eliminate anti-skating (if you use)
- raise arm height
- higher phono input impedance settings

Getting the most from a vinyl rig requires active, thoughtful user involvement. Because playback conditions are always changing, no dealer can do these things for you. You must learn to do them yourself, and keep after it constantly. There are ample resources on the web or on DVD to teach you how. You just have to provide the interest and effort.

Develop an understanding of the gear you have and optimize it before dropping money on new stuff that may or may not provide what you're seeking. Even big dollar cartridges with the finest top ends (like my ZYX UNIverse) don't sound that way if they aren't set up right.

Thanks for all the sugestions guys.

Stingreen-
I did try taking it off the Ginko, but it seemed to muddy the overall clarity, and did not have an effect on the upper treble. I am a drummer, so I prefer a "hotter" top end to get a nice sizzle and air out of the cymbals.

Dougdecaon-
You are right, I need to learn setup techniques. Unfortunately I had the guy at Music Direct set up the table when I bought it, and to be honest, I am a little intimidated with the setup stuff. I definitely need TT setup 101, no doubt about it.

I'd suggest getting Fremers TT set-up DVD then. Watch it and learn, then try it your self. Using the VPI alignment jig is a breeze. It's great to get past the fear of TT set-up as it frees you to get the most out of your gear.

I recently purchased a Denon DL-S1 on a VPI TNT jr. w/12.5. It was recommended by a couple of AGoners as superior to a XX2MKII, VDH Frog, and Shelter 901. I didn't compare them myself, because it was not possible. However, I have listened to a $5,000 ClearAudio and I found it comparable. It tracks very accurately, has uniform sound reproduction across the frequency range.

I listen, primarily, to classical music. I hear a great deal of the room resonance, the bows digging into the strings, the intake breath on wind solos, and the piano sounds like a piano with the rich harmonic resonance.

I have listened to a few rock albums and they are dramatically more detailed and enjoyable.

Big band brasses and winds sound full and distinct. The harmonic voices of the Mills brothers sound natural and full.

I purchased it new from Glen Carol Audio (authorized Denon dealer) for $800 (great guy to deal with). My wife and I are completely satisfied and don't even consider upgrading.

Search Frog or Shelter 901 and you should find my thread where I received the advice on the Denon DL-S1.

Mekon56...... VPI's need a solid platform to appreciate its qualities. If the elimination of the Gingko made the sound worse in the way you describe, you need a more solid table, shelf, etc. that it sits on. Harry recommends a solid butcher block platform. That will give you the "snap" you're looking for. Its like tightening the snare drum head. If its too loose, the rat.ta.ta.tat is reduced to a rub.a.dub.dub.