M20FL Super Compliance?


I recently purchased one of the NOS M20FL Super carts from William Thakker on Ebay to use with a VPI Classic. The compliance he states is 20mm/µN. I used Vinyl Engine Resonance Calculator to estimate the resonant frequency in my tone arm (JWM 10.5i SE):

http://www.vinylengine.com/cartridge_database_tools.php#ResonanceCalculator

Arm Effective Mass: 12.3g
Cartridge Mass: 5g
Fastener Mass: 1g
Cartridge Compliance: 20mm/µN

This gave me an estimated Resonant Frequency of: 8.31Hz A little low, but workable.

When I received the cart, I mounted it and aligned it with a MINT Protractor. The VTF was set to 1.5g. And the VTA was up a little in back. (I read that this cart likes a positive VTA setting.)

I tested the M20FL with the Hi Fi News Test Record on the resonant frequency sweep test on side 2, the cartridge would wobble somewhere between the 7 and 5 voice announcements, showing a resonant frequency of around 6HZ! This is too low and the cart was susceptible to footfalls and woofer pumping.

Using the Resonant Frequency Calculator I would need to put in a compliance figure somewhere closer to 35 to get this low of a resonant frequency with this tone arm.

Is the figure quoted by Thakker wrong, or can these NOS cart vary wildly in compliance?

Has anyone else tested their M20fl compliance?

I wanted to make sure I'm not missing something in my calculation before I contact William.

Thanks for any insight.
derekmur
Keep in mind that the cartridge is "NOS", which literally means new OLD stock. So for one thing the compliance may no longer be what Ortofon said it was 20 or 30 years ago (or however long ago the thing was built). Moreover, that equation is flawed in many ways in terms of its ability to predict reality. In sum, your results do not surprise me. But at 6 Hz resonance, I am a little bit surprised that it is so sensitive to footfalls. You might try isolating your table a bit better. (I bet you hoped no one would say that.) I have one of these, also purchased from Thakker. I am using it in a Dynavector DV505 with its 11.2 gm headshell, which darn near must approximate the effective mass, since the rest of the vertical pivoting arm is so vestigial. So, not too different from your setup in terms of the parameters. I am having no problems with footfalls, on a Lenco in a heavy but totally unsuspended slate plinth. I have no idea what this means, but maybe it helps you.

I just thought of one more thing. Over on the VA, some experts have noted just in the last day or two that the HFN test LP is very inaccurate in that the actual frequencies recorded are not as labeled, another source of error. The Cardas LP is recommended as being more accurate.
Dear Lewm: I read in the tonearm VE data base that the Dyna 501 ( similar to the 505 ) has a effective mass: 25grs.

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.
Dear vDarekmur: What kind of quality perfromance do you have/hear with that cartridge? do you have real problems with? which kind?

regards and enjoy the muysic,
Raul.
Derek....you also must remember that there are 2 iterations of the 10.5 VPI arm. There is an arm wand made of aluminum and therefore light as compared to the stainless steel one that you probably have which is heavier. Higher compliance in a cartridge "likes" a lighter arm. The Stainless arm is new and I would guess that the resonance calculator you used is for the aluminum not s/s arm. Your resonance therefore is worse than you post.
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