Grounding problem: I'm clueless


Hi folks,

I'm getting a serious buzz/hum through my speakers when listening to vinyl.

Equipment:
-Kenwood KD500 w/Rega RB300 arm and Grado Gold MM cartridge
-Antique Sound Lab Mini Phono tubed phono stage
-Audio Aero Prima hybrid integrated
-Silverline SR15 monitors

The previous owner of the phono stage attached a ground plug to the outboard power supply, he said it got rid of the hum for him. No such luck here. I've tried running a ground cable from the turntable to the preamp, and from the turntable to the power supply. It's quieter when attached to the power supply, but still not really acceptable.

Some more info: power is being filtered through a Shunyata Guardian. Once in a while I'll heard a very faint radio signal through on of the speakers. Not sure if any of that matters, but there it is.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks!
lousyreeds1
On the face of it, it sounds like you have a ground loop somewhere. Was the hum introduced into your system when you introduced the turntable? Also, by a ground plug, do you mean a "cheater" plug (converts 3 prongs to 2 prongs)? If not, then a cheater plug for either the phono stage and/or turntable could be the $1 solution.

You can also try plugging either the phono stage and/or turntable directly into the wall socket (bypass your Shunyata Guardian) and see if that takes away the hum.

If you have your cable TV hooked up into your system, that could be the culprit as well. The $100 solution then, would be a product from Tributaries called a "Ground Loop Eliminator." It is available from Audio Advisor .

Regards, Rich
Hi Rar1,

Thanks for your response. There has always been a tiny bit of buzz from the amp, but it only got to be a problem when I added the turntable.

I don't think I'm using the term "ground plug" correctly. The previous owner attached a metal nub on the power supply right next to the power cord. I've been running the ground cable from that nub to the turntable.

The turntable's power cord is permanently attached and it is two-pronged. I tried plugging it into the wall, no difference.
Grado Prestige Gold is unshielded cartridge. Unfortunately with DD turntable always to hear hum.
Sorry for my poor english.
Zenek is correct. A few years back, Stereophile magazine had an article which described applying sheets of magnetic sheilding to the plinthe of the turntable (I beleive the TT they were sheilding to be a Rega) which solved the problem well, but may not result in the best cosmetic appearance. They also gave information on just where to buy the sheilding material which was sticky on one side. FWIW, I hope this helps. Someone out there may have more info on which issue addressed this problem with Grado cartridges.
Are you sure the phono stage doesn't need to be re-tubed?

A couple of things to try -

ISOLATE THE CAUSE: Remove the TT from the system with the phono stage still in line and see if the hum is still there.
If so - you know the problem is related to the Phono Stage.
If not - Remove the phono stage and connect the TT directly through to the preamp, turn it on, and see if the hum is coming from the TT.

If no hum from the TT either (with preamp volume at Max.) then you know the issue is the relationship between the TT and Phono Stage.

If the power plugs on either the TT, PS, or Preamp are the old 2-prong, non-polarized type (both prongs the same size), try different combinations of flipping them over in the outlet (reversing the polarity). With 3 non-polarized plugs there should be 6 possible combinations - only 1 of which is really "polarity correct".

Keep in mind when running external ground wires that the chassis/case of any equipment with a 2-prong, non-polarized plug is NOT a valid ground point. It is totally isolated from the electronics within. Running a ground a wire from/to the chassis of any such equipment is the same as trying to ground a turntable to an armchair.

Hope this helps.