ZYX Universe, Dynavector XV-1s, vdH Colibri, ??


Last Sunday i finally took the time to compare three cartridges; my Dynavector XV-1s (.24mv output), a friends ZYX Universe (.24mv output) and my vdH Colibri (.85mv output) with the darTZeel preamp and phono stage in battery power.

Some background. in a post from my system thread i describe the path that brought me to be experimenting with various cartridges. that post also raves about listening to battery power with the darTZeel phono stage. i promised to compare the Dynavector and ZYX to the Colibri on battery power.

so that is what i did.

the darTZeel preamp has plenty of gain (62db in the phono stage and 20 db in the gain stage of the pre itself) so even with the relatively low output of the Dynavector and ZYX there are no gain issues at all, i only needed to go to about 2 o'clock on the volume attenuator for very high volume with the 95db efficient VR9 speakers. in battery mode the darTZeel phono stage is extremely quiet; so the normal advantage the Colibri has over other cartridges with lower gain is considerably reduced.

the darTZeel phono stage is set with 100ohm loading that seemed to work well with all the cartridges but is not ideal. i know that the Colibri likes about 400-500 ohms ideally; and from what i understand the Dynavector and ZYX both are ok (if not ideal) around 100 ohms.

the Dynavector is pretty new and only has maybe 30 hours on it; so it has not yet openned up completely. i am told the ZYX is fully broken in......and my Colibri is most definitly broken in.

i am very familiar with the setup parameters of the Colibri. i run it with the arm slightly down at the back, and track it at 1.45 grams as measured by my ALM-01 Winds Electronic Stylus Pressure Gauge. with the Rockport there is no anti-skate issues.

i ran the Dynavector XV-1s at 2.70 grams and slightly down in the rear of the arm.......and the ZYX Universe at 1.95 grams and the arm level.

i had played around previously with the Dynavector for my 30 hours and had had the Universe in the system for about a week prior to get it dialed in. so i had a reasonably good idea of setup on each cartridge.

the Rockport does make it easy to switch cartridges very quickly as all you need to do is change the counterweight to the proper one for the weight of that particular cartridge. then adjust the arm length for exact stylus position (there is a groove in the platter that you sight the stylus exactly inside for perfect position), rotate the arm for visual azimuth (i can get it very very close to perfect), and set your VTF. in practice about a 20 minute job if you already know the VTF you want.

so i was able to first listen to the Colibri, switch quickly to the Universe, listen again, then switch quickly to the XV-1s, and listen again.

before i get into what i heard on Sunday i want to describe my perceptions of how the Dynavector and ZYX compared when i the Universe first arrived from my friend. for reasons described in the previous post i had purchased the Dynavector as an alternative to my Colibri and it had been in my system for about 6 weeks. i had been using my Lamm LP2 Delux phono stage with the Placette passive RVC and Tenor 300 watt Hybrid monoblocks. i liked the Dynavector; compared to the Colibri it was less exciting, less on the edge, less vivid and immediate and less explosive......OTOH although it had a little color it was fairly neutral, always natural, very involving and had very good detail if not quite like the Colibri. more of my favorite music was enjoyable compared to the Colibri.

when i installed the ZYX Universe my first impression was of slightly less smoothness and naturalness compared to the Dynavector but more of the excitement of the Colibri. i played some of the Lps that had been on the edge with the Colibri and the ZYX was more natural and under control yet considerably more exciting than the Dynavector.

on the Lamm/Placette/Tenor my initial impressions were that these were simply two good cartridges that had different perspectives. as i listened more to the ZYX i could never really get fully involved into the music as i had felt with the Dynavector or especially the Colibri. why? i'm not exactly sure. it was like i wasn't hearing as far into the music as i liked. nothing was missing from the 'checklist' but i wasn't fulfilled.

the Lamm has 57.5 db of gain, has 400 ohm loading, and is extremely quiet. it has a very slight warmth, just to the dark side of neutral; but has a textural richness and refinement that i have not heard from any other phono stage (until dart battery power). it should be an ideal match for the ZYX.

so that was how it was before i tried battery power (as described in my previous post). i hope this makes sense up to this point.

now to the three cartridge comparison.

first the Colibri. the Colibri can be a 'train wreck'. it breaks all the rules. the barrel and canteliver are out of algnment with the cartridge 'body'......so setting asthimuth you ignore the body and just align the cateliver and stylus. i have owned 3 Colibris and they are all different yet all inconsistent. they can have any length canteliver a customer wants, gold windings, copper windings, wood bodies, polycarbonite bodies.......they have such little play in their suspensions that they can 'buzz' on certain edgy types of music. they are the Formula 1 cars of cartridges. the Colibri is so immediate, so explosive, yet so natural and so incisive that if all elsewhere is not about perfect.....you will know it and there will be a problem.

OTOH when all is right the Colibri is magnificent.

long story made short; with the battery powered dart phono stage in my system; the Dynavector and especially the ZYX are not nearly in the class of the Colibri. as the system improves, the lead of the Colibri gets larger.

i used tracks on 7 Lps for this comparison.

1.Muddy Waters 'Folk Singer', 'Good Morning School Girl', Classic reissue.

the Colibri here made the guitar plucks real and there. the whole musical sense was vivid and immediate. there was not a sense of the recording chain.....just some guys doing their thing. totally involving. each note dripped with reality. brilliant colors in the vocals and guitar overtones. ALIVE.

with the Universe it sounded great, nothing missing, satisfying. but; the guitar pluck was not as vivid, the colors were less vivid, there was overall a bit of haze that only compared to the Colibri was evidant. maybe no other cartridge would expose that issue. the decay of notes was reduced which reduced the overall involvement. sounded like a different pressing. NOT ALIVE.

on the Dynavector this was more different. less energy, less edge. transients were softened. smoother and warmer. very nice. a great sense of ease but too buttoned down for me. this track should boggie. excellent bloom and note decay.

2. The Royal Ballet, side one, Classic 33rpm reissue.

Colibri; spooky good. i don't want to stop. an 'oh my god' about every 30 seconds. i try to critically listen but it's hard.....i just want to close my eyes and forget about everything. about the best reproduced strings i have ever heard. such a sense of venue, the 'subway' and 'buses' outside seem real. where am i?

ZYX Universe; a different realm......reproduced music. very good.....but less of everything. very, very good. specifically, less separation of instruments, less delicacy
and less clarity. the effortlessness of the Colibri in sorting out the complex textures is missing.

Dynavector; not the detail or energy of the Colibri but very natural. slightly veiled but warm and inviting. not
wholey real but still much beauty. good flow and pulse of the music.

it's getting late; i will continue tomorrow morning or evening as time permits.

the Dynavector and ZYX are excellent cartridges that by themselves are rightly considered SOTA. just because i hear what i hear doesn't invalidate anyone else's perspectives.

so as not to attract too many flames i want to clearly state that i limit my comments to my specific system and setup choices. there are many varibles i have not or cannot address; arms, cartridge loading, breakin, taste, settleing in. i did not do the tiny tweaking of these cartridges that one does over time to dial them in just right. OTOH the differences that i heard are considerable and not subtle.

it just one guys opinion on one particular system on one particular day.

with that said; flame away.
mikelavigne
How do you rough in the VTA on the Colibri? Just start with the arm parallel to the platter+record?
Mike,

Thanks for the thorough followups. The photo of your Colibris makes your analogy to a race car seem very apt. All business, no nonessential parts, a purist's machine indeed. Assuming good components and execution, and given proper setup and playing conditions, it truly ought to offer unmatched dynamics and transparency.

Continuing the car analogy, the ZYX and Miyabi seem more like world class sports cars. A top Ferrari or Porsche will outperform almost anything on the street, but on a racetrack they'd have no chance against a F1 race car.

Of course the reverse is also true, as you wisely pointed out. A F1 race car would be literally undriveable on some real-world roads. A short-cantilevered cartridge with nude, low-slung coils could indeed have a problem navigating warps. Center clamps and weights do nothing for pinch warps, nor can they flatten the LP rim when playing the concave side of many dish warps. Vacuum or (perhaps) a periphery clamp might be required to make certain records playable with such a cartridge.

I'm looking forward to your detailed performance notes. Many thanks again for taking the time.
Dear Mike: First than all: it is very grateful to read the findings of a top cartridges evaluation that was made in a full high resolution audio system ( great, great audio system you have. Congratulations !!!!): nothing can hide.

The Colibri is a stellar cartridge but a pain in the ass till we can understand it. We need a lot of patience and know-how.

Mine is in a policarbonite bodie an is the very low output 0.18mv type. The other Colibri that I own ( in the past ) was a 0.65mv that I sold it because I prefer the very low output version: this one is the cartridge type that is not telling you " I'm here ".
Before any one can make a serious evaluation of the Colibri cartridges, we have to wait at least 200 hours of play on it and then send back to VDH for a him-self last " touch ", when the Colibri return to you and only then: you will know why I say that this cartridge is a " stellar one ". This " last touch " is for free, you only do the shipping payment to VDH.

Mike it is unfortunatelly that the XV-1 had only 30 hours of use and, in my opinion, that was set up at 2.7grs on VTF. Why?: this is an e-mail that I run directly to Dynavector and the answer from the Dynavector Technical Director:

At 01:09 05/08/31, you wrote:
>Dear friends: I own the awesome XV-1 and a DV-505 too. I read somewhere that this cartridge have a better performance if we use a VTF of 2.7 gr.
>Before I change to this VTF I would like to know if this high VTF don't compromise: a centered coils, tracking, suspension degradation on the long run, etc, etc.
>
>What do you think about? I really appreciate your advise. It is very important to me.
>Best regards.
>Raul.

Dear Raul,

Thank you for your using DV products.

DV cartridges can secure sufficient performance when using recommended tracking force motioned on the manual. It is true that Higher tracking force can improve the tracking performance at the high amplitude track of the record but too higher tracking force might cause the problem with frequency response as upper side of the damper rubber is compressed by the coil bobbin and downside of the damper rubber is detach from the coil bobbin.

We advise 2.5g would be reasonable maximum tracking force for the XV-1s.

Tracking ability of the XV-1s is slightly changed by room temperature. It means that when you use the cartridge in cold room, you should increase tracking force a little than the XV-1s recommended tracking force of 2.0g, when you use cartridge in hot room you should decrease tracking force.

Hopefully it could be helpful to you.

Best regards,

Masaaki Sasa
Sales and Technical director
Dynavector Systems Ltd.

Mike I respect you experience, dedication and love for the music and for the audio hobby, but I differ on my own findings with yours: the XV-1 is a lot better that your findings, it does not have the inmediacy and explosiveness of the Colibri but; for me in my system for my music priorities, it has all the >Colibri characteristics in a more natural way.
It is a very hard choice, here it is only which one fit better with our music priotities: that's all. There is no winner, both are winners.

Maybe I differ in my findings because my XV-1 is fully broke-in, I use between 2.4 and 2.5 grs and is mated with the best match/tonearm that I can find for it till today ( and of course a different audio room/system )

About the ZYX, everybody know my opinion about ( that you confirm ): no more comments on it.

Tks for share your valuable evaluation with these top performers cartridges.
For me, your thread is a confirmation of my experiences and give me a new light for further analog findings. Tks again.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Doug,if the silver coiled UNIV is not a top performer,and significantly bettered by the copper coiled one,I wonder why it is sold,especially at these prices.Though,in this hobby,nothing really surprises me anymore.

Mike,I don't understand why you would have expected any vehement responses to your post.Unless the responder was totally self absorbed,and cannot realize the effort you have made to educate some of us.I reiterate "SOME" of us,as it's human nature to rationalise observations not to our likings.

The loading issue is STILL a "Big Deal" though,yet your post's "Read" was,to me,more enjoyable than ANY recent cartridge survey,in any audio journal.That being said,I think you will be able to handle any "Flame" comments.Like I've stated,in the past,if you've taken a look around at "US" audiophiles,at hi fi shows,we don't seem to be too intimidating.More nerdly,but nice!

Now for the real WEAK LINK in your comments----A weakness SO overwhelming that even you, Mike,will not be able to defend this.This,of course,will keep all of "US" from obtaining audio nirvana.It is--------------------The indisputable fact that none of the cartridges mentioned,and compared had body materials,or parts,made of "Something Petrified"!"Something From another Galaxy"!"Something that NO other cartridge maker can obtain,which adds that MUST HAVE cache to a product"!They were all too plebian!Simply great performers,which isn't enough,to SO many of the "Clueless" horde!

BTW-I know of a new SOTA design coming,which will feature "Fossilized Cracker Jacks" as a body material!You will also get a prize,in every box.Can't wait to hear about that one!!
BTW--I forgot to mention that the picture of the two "Spartan Looking" Colibris was a thing of beauty,to me!!