Designer in wall wiring - worth it?


I have two dedicated outlets for my system using standard 12 gauge with short runs of about 15' to the breaker box. I used 12 gauge in this case due to the very short runs. I have recently experienced some very positive results with Audience speaker and ethernet cables, and it got me thinking it would not be crazy money to try the Audience in-wall shielded 10 gauge cable. Has anyone tried the Audience cable or other "designer" AC cabling? Did you find it to be a significant upgrade?

 

zlone

I once tried Kimber, my house wiring shut down because of it, I swear these people live in a dream world.

Solid core is always what should be used as it does not overheat and limit the gauge to that which your breaker reflects as maximum current for the line.

I know I do sound rather sorry and apologise for not knowing the product you refer to, but after my Kimber incident, to me it’s like putting Balls in a fat fryer

Good example for not using a cable that is not designed, manufactured, or Listed for use as AC mains power wiring. I remember reading a posted message on another audio forum where a member built a power cord using multiple paralleled runs CAT 5 Ethernet cable. 

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FYI,

Solid and stranded wire have the same Ampacity rating.

NEC Table 310.16 Ampacities of Insulated Conductors With Not More than Three Conductors Current-Carrying Conductors in Raceway, Cable, or Earth (Direct Buried)

Yes, Romex, (NM-B sheath cable), Sizes, 14, 12, and 10AWG conductors are solid wire. But, #8AWG and larger are stranded wire conductors.

MC (Metal Clad) cable is made in both solid and stranded wire. #8AWG and larger are stranded wire only.

Individual insulated conductor #14, #12, #10AWG building electrical wire in manufactured in both solid and stranded wire. #8AWG and larger is stranded only.

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Sorry guys, I still have a problem with the Hidden Treasure In-Wall AC Power Cable - Bulk,  by Audience  

This is the info printed on the jacket on the cable shown in the picture.

  E256938 Type CL2 (UL) FT4 75C 10 AWG  ( Website,  "Description" says its CL3 (UL) Listed.)

Yes the cable is Listed (UL) as a CL2 (Class 2) cable. But a CL2 cable is not Listed for use as mains power circuit wiring. In wall or not. (Or a CL3 UL Listed for use as in wall power wiring)

 

CL2 and CL3 circuits falls under NEC Article 725.

Explaining NEC Article 725 on Power-Limited and Remote-Control Circuits  

 

Class 2 and Class 3 Power-Limited and Remote-Control Circuits

  • Class 2 Circuits:
    • Class 2 circuits operate at up to 30 volts and a power limit of 100 VA. Their goal is to protect from electric shock.
    • Typical applications include thermostats, intercoms, automated lighting, and control circuits where power demands are minimal.
    • Due to their low power and voltage levels, these circuits pose minimal risk for shock or fire hazards, so NEC permits more relaxed installation methods, like running cables directly along structural elements without the need for extensive conduit protection.
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  • Class 3 Circuits:
    • Class 3 circuits share similarities with Class 2 but allow slightly higher voltage and current levels. Class 3 circuits are allowed to operate up to 150 volts. They are used in more demanding control applications like HVAC or specific industrial settings.
    • These circuits require more robust insulation and need additional containment if installed in high-traffic or mechanically vulnerable locations (public corridors, rooms with industrial equipment, etc). In these cases, metal conduits, raceways, or cable trays can be used.

Note this:

  • Grounding:
  • Unlike higher-power circuits, Class 2 and Class 3 circuits do not require a dedicated grounding conductor due to lower voltage.

Audience In-Wall AC cable. Look at the two pictures shown  in the article. The first one only shows a shielding drain wire. Not an EGC, (Equipment Grounding Conductor) wire.

The second picture you can clearly see the cable jacket says CL3  (rated ???).

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Sorry guys, I am back to saying the Audience hidden treasure in wall cable is not interned for use as power in wall branch circuit wiring to feed audio equipment. 

I would suggest checking with the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) Electrical Inspection Department in your area before buying. 

I will add one thing about the fine stranded #10 wire used in the cable. It could be a burger to terminate on the breaker in the electrical panel and the receptacle outlet you are using. As for the receptacle, use one that has the back wire feature that uses a terminal plate to mechanically clamp down on the wire when tightening the side terminal screw.

As for the breaker termination? Depends on the type of lug used on the breaker. ??? Getting all the fine strands securely supported in the terminal connection of the breaker could be a challenge. Loose stands, just makes the wire gauge smaller. 

Finally you might ask is it electrically safe to still use the cable as in wall branch circuit wiring to feed your audio equipment? Question back, Would you feel safe using a 10/3 PVC jacketed flexible power cord as a dedicated branch circuit wiring from the electrical panel to the wall outlet. After all, the flexible 10/3awg power cord is UL Listed for power. Yes it it Listed for use as a power cord, but, not for installing in a wall for branch circuit power wiring. 

Jim

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Correction:

Sorry guys, I am back to saying the Audience hidden treasure in wall cable is not interned for use as power in wall branch circuit wiring to feed audio equipment. 

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Sorry guys, I am back to saying the Audience hidden treasure in wall cable is not intended for use as power in wall branch circuit wiring to feed audio equipment. 

@zlone 

When the dust settles after my move, I’ll be installing a dedicated power line maybe looking at outside power box options to reduce noise. I’ve also researched audiophile in wall cabling landing on Audience which seemed to be the only audiophile option. Not remotely interested in spending for the Audience unless I happen to obtain a lot of disposable income like winning the $$lottery$$

@jea48  this is the one I was looking at, and it does say it has a EGC.

Industry Compliances:

 

UL 1569

UL 44

ICEA S-95-658/NEMA WC70

UL Type MC-600 volts, UL File # E90496

NEC Type XHW-2 conductors

Flame Test Compliances:

 

IEEE 383 (70,000 BTU/hr)

UL 1581 (70,000 BTU/hr)

IEEE 1202 (70,000 BTU/hr) CSA FT4

ICEA T-29 520 (210,000 BTU/hr)

Other Compliances:

 

EPA 40 CFR, Part 261 for leachable lead

content per TCLP method

OSHA Acceptable

RoHS Compliant