Roon changes the music


... at least on Qobuz on my system.

Listening with an audio buddy who has a very critical ear to both Roon and Qobuz Connect. We agreed that quick AB comparisons of the same song with matched levels per the iPhone DBx app and no DSP, volume leveling etc., yielded a difference. As some of the listeners in this thread (https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/does-roon-sound-different?highlight=Does%2Broon%2Bcolor%2Bthe%2Bmusic) found, "ROON has a certain "house sound" that blurs contours and softens treble." and "Roon is a bit softer in the upper midrange and images do not stand out in such relief as jplay". It was not subtle. Need to listen more to see if it’s an improvement or a step back. Too early to tell but there is certainly a difference.

Since I have been struggling with Qobuz connectivity, I am again considering going to Tidal, which is no biggie, but now I am also concerned that I may have to give up Roon. That would suck because I really like the Roon UI and the fact that all my music is organized there.

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Fact of the matter is Roon DSP (or similar features commonly found in other streaming software these days) exists specifically to allow users to change how the music sounds in order to address room acoustics, personal preferences, whatever.  So with Roon you are armed and dangerous but one has to take the time needed to get a handle on how to use the tools provided effectively.  There is a lot there!   Down side is all it takes is for one setting to be off to have a negative rather than positive result. 

This is a very interesting discussion. I’m particularly interested with the Roon critics that are finding better performance elsewhere, on what hardware are you running Roon? I’m running on a Roon Nucleus+ with Farad Super 3 power supply, network filter into Allnic D-10000 DAC and feel the results are very good. The Roon technology is great when it works, of course it hiccups at the worst times and that is a major frustration. The Roon Arc app lets me listen to my music and playlists anywhere in the world is life-changing. Of course, in this pursuit, I’m always open to a better pathway to listening. Appreciate all the commentary.

I upgraded my Roon core to a new multi core Asus NUC  (cost ~1k) recently.  Roon is now very stable and very fast.   Sound quality continued to sound excellent.  That has never been a problem. 
 

So you do need a good streamer, a fast multi core, and good network connectivity for best results.  My main streaming is done using ASIO on the same PC to dedicated external Topping D90 III SABRE DAC (with custom Topping provided Windows driver)via asynchronous USB 2.0. 
 

Streaming results can vary depending on exact hardware  and software used.  Roon does not operate in a vacuum. YMMV. I can easily recommend my current config I have settled on as a good and cost effective complete Roon solution. 

Roon has done lots of good things for me over the years, multi room, surround sound, integration of Qobuz with the local library, ARC, conversion of DSF files on the fly, etc. However, the one thing it can’t do for me is give the sound quality I want. For that I need UPnP. 

Does anybody use DSP on roon.  I’ve never seen much of the point to use it and it’s so damn complicated and doesn’t it take away from the sound quality by putting the signal through a filter?

But there is a lot of functionality and maybe there is some value in there somewhere.

I was fortunate to get a lifetime subscription a few years ago. And as long as people have the login access it may go on forever assuming my heirs see a value.