USB connection to DAC: multi stage improvement


In my setup (Innuos Zenith Mk3, Antelope Zodiac Platinum with Sean Jacobs DC3/4 and Antelope Audiophile clock) sequential addition of decrapifiers has lead to increasing transparency, dynamics and soundstage depth.

My chain now reads like this

ZenithMk3->Singxer UIP->JHoinrich Isolator RH07b->IFi USB iPurifier3->LHY UIP2.0 Pro->Intona7054b->Zodiac Platinum

 

The Singxer is powered by Sean Jacobs DC3/4, The Lhy is reclocked by the Antelope clock

 

Of particular note: this is the best result of trying every conceivable permutation.

 

In terms of overall impact:

1. reclocking the LHY using the same clock on DAC and upstream Etherregen

2. introducing galvanic insulation after each powered device.

3. using isolator equipment with different chips at each stage.

 

i have learned the hard way that fighting ground level noise, RFI/EMI and other network noise is a gradual rather than binary solution at each step and that in digital audio ‘less is more’ doesn‘t apply as it does in the analogue section. Equally the whole bits are bits debate seems churlish against this background

antigrunge2

So: measuring is important. What you measure: not so much? Hony soit qui mal y pense…

The burden of proof lies with whoever makes such a claim.

Listen, a DDC is essentially a USB isolator (many ddc has it now for electrical noise) combined with a reclocker (for jitter reduction), digital format conversion, etc. It does not matter how many stages of isolation or reclocking you add; quality matters far more than quantity.

From an engineering standpoint, there is no obvious reason to expect benefits to accumulate indefinitely. Once jitter is reduced below the DAC's sensitivity and galvanic isolation has already broken the electrical connection, additional stages often yield diminishing returns. That does not prove that no system can ever benefit from an additional stage, but it does mean that claims of large improvements should be supported by measurements over your subjective listening tests.

The lack of benefit from cascading DDCs was demonstrated back in 2021. You chose not to believe it, and that is your prerogative. Continue doing what you are doing—no one can influence those who believe they are smarter than everyone else when, in reality, ideology has gotten the better of them.

However, while you have every right to express your views, we also have the right to voice our concerns when we believe misinformation is being spread. If your goal is to persuade others, you would be better served by providing concrete evidence to support your claims rather than relying on instinct, assumptions, or personal belief.

@lanx0003 

It‘s not so much that I don‘t believe it, it is plain irrelevant and I shall no more respond to your diatribes.

To the OP. Congrats on your success and thanks for sharing. There are many roads to audio bliss and no doubt you've heard these improvements along the way. We all have budgetary limitations we have to work within (well most of us). We can't always just go out and buy a $12K DAC but I do believe we can find our way to a similar end point by trial and error. I myself was using several components including a Denafrips DDC and Pontus 2 DAC and tube buffer and was very happy with that. If not for a ridiculous deal on a Merason DAC1 from a wealthy audio buddy I would probably have that same setup. Just ignore the people who feel like they know the only path.