AI vs Real Intelligence


I asked Chat GPT and Gemini to find the weak link in my system. As expected both said the WiiM Pro and after that the Schiit Modius DAC, also expected. AI also said bypassing the Wiim’s DAC (coaxial out) into an upgraded DAC would be a huge step forward. After inputting that I want to improve clarity (adding that I want hyper-detailed sound), imaging and sound stage, and with a budget of $1,500 new or used, a few DAC recommendations were given.

I would like to compare the AI with real intelligence. What DACs would this group recommend?

The rest of the system is Magnepan 3.7i’s; (2) SVS SB1000 Pro, a Wharfedale WD8 and JBL PS120 subs; PS Audio Stellar M700 amps; Schiit Freya+ pre. I am in the process of getting room treatment installed. 
 I listen to mostly acoustic folk/rock, jazz, female vocalists, classical and some pop/rock. 

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"Real intelligence", hang out on this forum long enough and you will quickly see that common sense is not so common anymore, and real intelligence is not so real, IMHO.

Just for fun, I plugged my system into AI for an evaluation of the "weak link".  The AI analysis of my system was way off the mark of what my ears tell me. My source, amp, and speakers were all were all mis-characterized. 

Proceed with caution.

I would be cautious about purchasing a DAC that provides the detail you desire as there are other parts of your chain that you could make inroads on detail using a lot less dinero. 

One, try a new set of tubes on your Freya. If you are using the stock JJ tubes, they will sound dry and unremarkable. They are meant to be stock tubes because of their ability TO NOT make changes to the sound - neutral - and certain tubes will impart more detail or your Maggies.

Secondly, wait until your room treatments are finished before bringing in a new component. Room treatments change the sound and you may find more detail because of it. With all those subs, you will need 4" panels to really tame the bass. You may want to make your own using Owens Corning 703 insulation.

Thirdly, your collection of subs may be creating voluminous bass sound that hides the detail you can get from your speakers. Throw a lot of bass into the room and you will lose high frequency response. DSP would be really helpful to help with your room corrections after treatment.

Depending on your source, if it is digital, you would gain detail by using a digital to digital converter. It cleans up your signal if it comes from a streamer or computer. A DAC creates the harmony, but the detail comes from your source.

A detailed DAC is what Benchmark provides as others have said. It may sound clinical, but because that may turn some people off, they are typically readily available in the used market. There is a 3B on US Audio mart as of now.

The other day, I asked ChatGPT where it gets its information, since it can’t have any real world experience - at least in the type of situations we’re talking about. It says AI uses mainly information it gets off the internet, from manufacturers, forums, advertising, etc. I wanted to know how much it relies on hype and how much on fact. It claims to place more emphasis on fact than opinion, but takes all the information into account. So to me, it seems to be an aggregator, basically doing what I would do if I did research on the net. 
Of course, I still have questions: Would it give equal weight to an obscure piece of kit as compared to a well-known one? Does it have any built in biases, intentional or unintentional? Does it give greater weight to the opinions of well known reviewers than plain old forum members?

For me, the bottom line is that it’s a good tool, but not perfect. It can do a lot of research for me very quickly. In the end, I have to judge the value of the information it provides - same as if I spent days doing research myself. 

One thing I have learned about AI: it matters how much information you give it, and how accurate it is. It can be a pain to sit and enter a bunch of details, but it the system will take all the details into consideration.