audiophile folklore - cables and claims from manufacturers


The cable debate.

Cables make a difference, sure. 

But SHOULD they?

I have been grappling with this question for the better part of 20 years! 

Fanatical claims from manufacturers, talking about how their cables will improve your system in specific ways, sonically. 

More accurate bass, cleaner midrange sounds, treble resolution... etc. soundstage and imaging, you get the idea.

The fundamental disconnect is - they have never heard YOUR system! 

So then, how do they know what their cables will sound like in your system. Not to mention, astronomical prices on some of these interconnects. The wilder the claims, the higher the cost.

The behavior we should be looking for is passing on the signal, with as little losses as possible. That can be done relatively cheaply, with well made professional interconnects that cost less than 100 dollars in most cases.

If you could build an audio system (all of it) from thrift store finds and cables really did make that much of a difference, then wouldn’t the sound quality scale that way?

It seems many audiophiles I know are in denial. And even worse, some use cables as TONE controls! This is where audiophoolery becomes a religion. Audio dealers promote it, because it impacts their bottom line! 

frank009

I’m guessing old Franky didn’t read How to Win Friends and Influence People. 

@kevemaher 

This discussion has turned into a shouting match. 

Nothing is accomplished 

.So stand in your corner. defend it to he max. 

You've nothing but dignity to lose.

Please name the parties that are shouting.  Otherwise, your comment hits unintended targets, grouping unnamed persons together, and could be taken as you gas lighting.

I love aliexpress stuff, tis where I do most of my audiophile cable shopping...though ihave some audioquest cables.

60 bucks is the real fair price of that nordost wire + 2 connectors (and i am convinced it was made there all along). 14k is the patriot price markup to make someof these boys ooze with patriotic fervor.

I certainly know that one big country in Asia has become the most technologically advanced country in the world. I own a electronics company (nothing to do with audio), I might know a lot more about such things to stay in business, ya think?

Ahem...Not sure which bigot you're talking about, but, If you are looking for a bigot, look around some more on these type of forums, you'll find em.

As for me, if my spouse who hailed from the germanic tribes filed for divorce, I am finding meself an Asian spouse and settling down in Asia. enlightened

Cheers

@frank009  wrote

I think you’re just being sarcastic (maybe?) because those brand name interconnects are honored with the stamp of "audiophile-approved" made in USA, whatever.

I care about the bill of materials and/or if the manufacturer produced a reliable, good quality product that I can depend upon. Who cares where they’re made.

Well think about it logically. If they sold let’s say 4k interconnects total so far, after 1 year, its in their best interests as a high volume retailer to NOT provide garbage products to customers.

Economies of scale. Take a basics economics class.

They want repeat customers, and thrive off of them. It’s common sense.

I have bought a few things from aliexpress and never had a problem. Some were even delivered to one of my homes before the amazon parcels, which were expected to arrive earlier.

If you think the Chinese can’t produce quality products, then I’m sorry but you are a racist and a bigot. 

I've been to China a few times and was astonished as just how advanced they are

@deep_333 

As someone who has a pretty heavy corporate background, I have to tell you all the truth - Some may not like it. But you obviously understand what I’m saying.

Many of these "fancy" high end cables are in fact made in China in the SAME factories that some of these aliexpress/TEMU/amazon sellers etc. cables are made in. 

Big surprise.

How do I know this?

I have friends who OWN some of those factories. 

They basically ship out product all over the world to offices and even home addresses in the USA and those manufacturers, once acquiring the cables give them to dealers who impose a heavy mark up. 

That’s how the real world works. So sorry for spilling the truth.

Meanwhile, the owners of such cable manufacturers are living it up on yachts and rich like me, while folks like @audphile1 are worshipping their cables like a tribal cult worships an idol. Brand loyalty is okay, just don’t live in a fantasy land for the world to see. It’s embarrassing that you’ve had to "try so many cables" goes to show your electronics and speakers aren’t up to snuff.

Like your system can’t decide - but the reality is your listening sessions when swapping them out were not controlled, henceforth, your impressions were abstractions, not reality.