Where do classical vinyl records get their rumble from?


Recently converted back to vinyl from silver disks, I am struck by how much rumble seems to be inherent in the new and used vinyl I am buying.

A case in point, is a recent Deutsche Grammophon (DG) recording (487 7484) of Mahler’s Second Symphony made at a live performance at the Sydney Opera House (I was there).  The first set I bought was amongst the dirtiest pressings I have ever had, but the second set was much improved.  However, there is a persistent rumble whether played on my Holbo Mk2 air bearing system or my venerable Garrard 301 (new bearing from Classic Turntable Company).

Mahler typically has huge dynamic range, from muted off-stage performers to hundreds of musicians going hell-for-leather.

The rumble could be partly caused by the venue’s air conditioning system, but I hear similar background on a Telarc recording (Stereo 10051) of Saint Saens Organ Symphony made in Philadelphia.  Telarc even arranged to have local roads shut down for the recording sessions.

Similar efforts were made by DG when recording the organ at Notre Dame in Paris, where recording was done late at night to reduce traffic noise.  My copy includes Dolby Atmos on Pure-Audio Bly-ray (DG 486 1466).

I was beginning to think the rumble was inherent in my tables, but then I played a German Direct Metal Mastered (DMM) set from In-Akustik for Clearaudio’s 40th anniversary (INAK 78051 2LP).  It includes some Telarc tracks.  This set has the quietest background I’ve never heard.  There is virtually no rumble, exonerating my tables.

So apart from the recoding venue’s air conditioning and traffic noise, why do so many classical records seem to have built-in rumble?  Could it be from the mastering lathe?

I am really only thinking about classical recordings where the dynamic range approximates the signal to noise ratio of vinyl, meaning that very low-level signals are musically important, while simultaneously bumping against the noise floor.

richardbrand

@faustuss 

"1kHz/5cm/sec"

You will be astonished that I did not have to look anything up know that this refers to the standard for measuring cartridge output voltage, and to see the confusion in your thinking when the actual subject is dynamic compliance!

Output voltage has no direct relationship to trackability, either no

Copied from Shure PDF leaflet. You’ll note that Shure expressed trackability as cm/sec. I don’t see 1000 Hz there do I?

Just a wee way down in the very same post you quote (my emphasis)

Output Voltage: 3.5 mV per channel at 1000 Hz, 5 cm/sec peak recorded velocity

If ignorance is bliss, you should be supremely happy cheeky

@faustuss 

The bulk of the noise that accumulates on vinyl over time is the result of lackadaisical handling and improper hygiene

My complaint about the Deutsche Grammophon pressings of Mahler 2 relates to brand new records, taken straight from the sleeve, ultrasonically cleaned along the lines prescribed by @antinn, and played without further handling.  The recording was made in July 2022 and released in February 2025, on CD, vinyl and as digital files.  I suppose I should get the Dolby Atmos version ...

Deutsche Grammophon Releases Recording Of Landmark Sydney Concert

@richardbrand 

from my post -

"Typical Trackability (cmlsec peak recorded velocity at 1 gram in
Shure-SME Tone Arm). Reference: Shure TTR 103 Laboratory Test
Record.
400 Hz-26 cmlsec 5000 Hz-35 cmlsec
1000 Hz-38 cmlsec 10,000 Hz-26 cmlsec"

If ignorance is bliss, you should be supremely happy cheeky

I certainly am!

 

From the very same post

 I don’t see 1000 Hz there do I?

... and now you do cheeky  BLISS

@richardbrand 

 

if some of us, in your words, have’ never heard’ the problem that you are describing, then I suggest the answer is because it is unique to your system, not some systemic fault on the part of the other posters here.

 

  I have not read every post in the thread, so I will apologize if my question is redundant.  Have you tried playing a digital version of the same album that has the rumble or whatever it is in analog?  If it does then the fault is with the original mix. 
If it is not present digitally then either 1) a digital remaster has removed the original fault from the analog version, or 2) it is unique to your analog setup.

  Bring the offending LP to either a dealer or a friend with an analog setup, see what happens