Can "worse" sound "better" ?


Greetings,

I recently retired and have been migrating my gear from two places of residence to my main house. Since I have a dedicated music room, moving forward, I will only use the main system. During this process, when mixing equipment, selecting which component to keep, I came across a strange situation, which I do not understand. Hopefully someone can help and shed some light on what's going on? 

I am perplexed by the sound difference when connecting my pre and power amps with my interconnects. I own: Nordost Freys (original, not Frey2), Van den Hul The Orchids and Van den Hul The Integration Hybrid.  The best sound gives The Integration Hybrid, which I believe is about a third of the price of the Nordost... The Orchid also doesn't sound as good as the cheaper Integration.  Why it is peculiar, is the fact that between any of my sources and the preamplifier the Freys and Orchid are significant better than the Integration... The Integration sound better only between the preamplifier and power amplifier.  Can anyone explain why? 

The sense of "better" I can describe as: a lot more air around the instruments, even those at the very back of the stage, more precise soundstage (you can hear the distances between orchestral rows, for example second violins and wood instruments, brass also exhibit space and air around them). 

My system:

Krell KSA 100 mk2  power amp 

Krell KAV-280P  preamp 

Dynaudio Contour 3.4 connected with Frey speaker cable

Sources:

Nottingham Analogue AceSpace + Space Arm + Ortofon Kontrapukt B; 

VPI Aries Scout, AT33;  Phono Stage: Trichord Delphini mk2 with separate power supply

Marantz SAKI Black Pearl  and also Arcam CD37 as a transport

Chord Electronics Hugo TT with linear power supply 

Cables : Nordost Frey speaker cables, Nordost Freys, Van den Hul Orchid and Van den Hul The Integration Hybrid mostly unbalanced

All audio equipment is connected to a dedicated and separate power line and the preamp and power amp is on a separate circuit, only for them. 

 

Have a great weekend everyone :) 

Steven

 

 

 

zbig06

Yes. The cheaper/low quality cables and component can sound better than more expensive/better parts component. To all them, the good sound is trial and error experience with some luck. 

All audio cable and audio component companies don’t know how to make a good sound cable and component. Some times, good cables and component (only marginally better) are made by accident, not knowing how that happens. I’m sure the better sound from the worse cable, OP hears, is small difference from other expensive cables. Alex/Wavetouch audio

First, trust your ears.  Sound quality is often not directly proportional to cost.  

Second, cable compatibility with a system as it relates to perceived sound quality is complex and I believe cannot be always predicted based on cable design, specifications, or cost.  However, there are some broad general rules of cable design that may explain what you are hearing.  
 

I have not auditioned any of the three cables listed, but I went on the website of each to look at their design. The Frey is a proprietary microfilament with minimal dielectric and should produce a fast, detailed and light, airy sound with stage presentation focusing on separation and air between images.  The Orchid is a low capacitance, low mass OHNO conductor.  This design should produce a fast, detailed, airy sound somewhat below the speed and detail of the Frey, but with more body and weight,  The Integration is a high mass silver over copper design.  The conductors are more of a traditional solid mass design than the other two.  This cable should, in comparison, produce more weight to the images, with slightly rounder edges and smoother transitions between images, focusing on venue depth and width rather than air in between images.  Instrument harmonics will be more evident, hall harmonics less evident.  


Which presentation is correct is personal preference.  What I describe as differences in SQ based on design is a generalization and many factors come into play.  Are my descriptions somewhat close to what you hear?
 

I recently had a similar experience where changing on cable at a key location had a profound impact on SQ.  I purchased an Audio Art Statement interconnect.   Previously I was using WyWires Platinum.  The Platinum is a Litz air core inductor design producing a clear, detailed, airy sound with excellent, but light imaging.  I replaced it at the streamer to DAC location with the solid core Statement.  Timbre, harmonics, image, stage depth, image density and macrodynamics all improved.  I list some, but not significant, transient leading edge, transient speed, air between instruments, hall decay, microdynamics.  The improvements outweigh the losses to my ears.   The Statement at this key location makes my system sound more like music at Carnegie Hall at half the cost.   
 

PS:  @ghdprentice I am now beginning to fully understand what I believe you have often stated, if I interpret your position and journey correctly.   Highly detailed systems that focus on extreme clarity and detail rather than musicality expressed as warmth and timbral accuracy initially impress but become fatiguing over time.  This one minor change in my system made the lightbulb go off and realize that is why you chose your components.  


 

Friend

To somewhat sum up what may have already been said or alluded to - it sounds like you are experiencing a good synergy match when connecting Preamplifier and Amplifier with the integration interconnects.  The mysterious thing is the fact that no price point or measurement can predict a good synergy match - but only by listening can one determine this phenomenon.  Sometimes, the toughest thing to do is accept the fact that a more economical cable delivers the best synergy in any given position in the chain.

 

 

I learned a great deal from this conversation- thanks all to those who made contributions!

Gotta love synergy when it falls in your lap!  Better is better.  Once confirmed, I generally don't question it!