audiophile folklore - cables and claims from manufacturers

The dielectric Teflon or otherwise is what really takes the longest to breakin,

if you go on vacation , the system and cables will take time to stabilize , capacitors charge dac chips especially can take hours to get up to optimum temperature , that has been proven , I have gone to many audio clubs and every optic has been pretty much addressed, even cables, vibration , raising speaker cables off the floor 

to lessen magnetic fields , Everything counts , the amount of resolution you have in your Audio system determine how much little things matter,  yes $$ can matter,

even in room damping isolation ,I have friends that spent over $50k to have their dedicated audio room designed ,and it made a profound improvement even recordings taken before and after  meaning everythung can ge improved on if you have the resources. I don’t have $150 k to spend on just electronics  but I can hear the difference in resolution just by a loudspeakers going from $20k to $50k with ease.

The dielectric Teflon or otherwise is what really takes the longest to breakin,

audioman58

This is a falsehood.

If that were true, wouldn’t studios and broadcasting stations burn in their cables for hours? Audiophiles do it, nobody else does.

I agree that standalone audio electronics can take time to reach optimal operating temperature, but this is usually minutes, rather than many hours. Unless you have a big power amplifier in storage and haven’t listened to in a year or more, then yes it makes sense to power cycle it by just powering it on, keeping it on for 30 minutes or so, then powering it off. Helps with preventing internal oxidation and  micro-arching overtime. Make sure the relay clicks normally. No weird smells. Although good rule of thumb is to test audio electronics in storage once once every 3 weeks or once a month. 

I don’t agree with 20k to 50k or whatever. it’s the INTENTION of the electronics and if their intended PURPOSE aligns with what the customer is willing to pay for.

I don’t find value in CNC milled aluminum chassis that started with 350 kg of material and the thing weighs a ton. I care about the actual INGREDIENTS. It’s like someone serving you fast food in a very costly dinner plate... no thanks.

Else we just get a whole lot of - THIS SOUNDS AMAZING!!! it’s super high end ultra high end or whatever, when in reality it is an interpretation of the original sound that does not closely match what was achieved in the studio. Basically deliberate DSP that is baked in, so you can’t get any more transparency or resolution out of the electronics. You can side-step how it sounds, but can’t chance the inherent character of the sound to sound like the original.

Luxury lifestyle electronics vs Real audio equipment 

The real well engineered stuff wins every-time. The calm, controlled marketing language is a winner. The eager and almost unbelievable marketing language is a loser. Doesn’t necessarily need to be costly, just needs to be in line with form follows function.

Difference between audio equipment where engineers had the most freedom, vs where they did not, and marketing departments took over along with management and finance to control cost, but parade around such devices as SOTA when really they are just another kind of sound character that can be easily replicated for less money.

Might I also add, if an audio component is supposedly high end, then ask AI to do a parts check after sending it a photo of the internals for estimated bill of materials (cost). Then you know if it's just fancy casework you're paying for. 

frank009

This is a falsehood. If that were true, wouldn’t studios and broadcasting stations burn in their cables for hours?

I know that you want to sound reasonable and objective in this group, so please consider that this statement of yours is the logical error often called "false choice" or "false dilemma ... an informal fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available."

@cleeds 

I don’t really care how other people view me on this forum, or anywhere else for that matter. I am comfortable being me.

 If that were true, wouldn’t studios and broadcasting stations burn in their cables for hours?

Quoting myself here, mister Cleeds.

I am saying that professional environments whose employees and management earn their money through audio don’t burn in cables, and it’s true. Only audiophiles do it. 

It became a popular practice because manufacturers and dealers tell you do it. I’ve already explained the reason. It’s pretty obvious and not a difficult concept to understand.

And I know this to be true - because I have friends who work in such environments. We have laughatons all the time about things like cable burn in, and other so-called audio science, which is nothing more than babble.

Studio 1 - Hey Mike, make sure you "burn in the cables for at least a few hours before you start working on the track. (Mike is a mixing or even a mastering engineer) 

Broacast station 1 - We have to go live in 30 minutes. Thank goodness you got the cables, but I’m afraid we can’t go live. We need to burn in the cables for them to perform at their best. 

The above situations don’t exist in the real world.

It seems like nothing more than you side-stepping what I said with some fancy words you looked up only recently, using some kind of thesaurus, and the help of ChatGPT.

frank009 

It seems like nothing more than you side-stepping what I said with some fancy words you looked up only recently, using some kind of thesaurus, and the help of ChatGPT.

No, I don’t need AI to spot logical fallacies - they stick out like a sore thumb. If you look at my posting history here, you’ll see that I periodically point out these silly fallacies, often promoted by trolls or newbies with an agenda. And as I often observe, it’s those who want to be seen as "objective" that are most often responsible. Odd, isn’t it?