Power Distributors: Shunyata Delta-X, AudioQuest Niagara 5000, and PS Audio PowerPlant 12


Decided to start a new thread that accurately reflects my current thoughts.

We moved and the house has some electrical issues. An electrician is addressing them for use. One issue is a wide voltage swing identified by my 20 year old Panamax 5300 (98-145 volts). Wide swings happen in this area but normally between 100-140 volts. The electrician is work with the utility company to minimize this on our property. He is also installing a dedicated 20A line for the stereo system.

I have already ordered a Furman P-2400 AR (recommended by Furman) to help protect the system from wide voltage swings. The Panamax is ready for retirement.

I plan to install a power conditioner/distributor that will utilize the protection the Furman provides. I will probably run my XA-25, one sub, and maybe both Acoustat 1+1 speakers directly through the Furman. The conditioner/distributor will handle everything else.

The three models listed in the title are my short list. The Delta-X with an Shunyata Alpha-X XC cord runs $6000 for The Cable Company. The Delta-X is $4500 without any cable, and the Alpha-X MSRP is $2800. This will be my most expensive cable if this is selected. The Niagara 5000 is $6900 ($3999 from TMR with stock cable). The PowerPlant 12 is $5999 (approx $4000 with Panamax trade from PS Audio and approximately $3000 used from TMR with stock cable).

So here is the apples to apples choice: Delta-X at $4500, Niagara 5000 at $4000, and PowerPlant 12 at $3000. What are your concerns and recommendations?

If I go with the Delta-X, do I need, or want, the Alpha-X XC? 

 

thriftyaudio

@faustuss You make an excellent point and raise a valid concern. For over 45 years I have wanted a dedicated line for my stereo after taking an Audio Physics class in college. I was either not in a position to afford it, or the line was an inconvenience, or both.

When we moved a few months ago I thought it would be nice to have a dedicated line, but it was a low priority with all the other challenges and expenses associated with moving. We were adding two 50A lines for the kiln and hot tub, so I asked the electrician about a dedicated IG 20A line and he said where I wanted it would be relatively easy, but I still was not convinced to do it. Then the wide voltage swings occurred multiple times. Over time my electrician identified multiple issues. The first was one he was aware of with the utility company (hopefully corrected although the neighborhood had another power outage this AM).

The second was the quality of some of the electrical lines in the house. We had to have the kitchen completely rewired to bring it up to code. The line that I wanted upgraded was questionable so the electrician thought it was a good idea to replace it considering the all the stereo equipment. He did not think the 20A was needed, but the cost between running a 20A and a 15A was minimal. He also did not think the isolated ground was necessary, but I insisted. As he was looking at installing it he discovered the grounding for the whole house was not adequate, so to have an IG for the 20A line the whole house grounding would need to be brought up to code. He felt this was absolutely necessary, but would not have been identified without the request for the 20A IG request.

I believe my Panamax power conditioner was near the end of it's useful life. While researching power conditioners I was initially drawn to the PS Audio Power Plant 12 or 20. That led me to look at other power conditioners. Ultimately other units appeared to meet my needs better. The Shunyata Delta-X is perhaps overkill, but I like to splurge from time to time too. The Furman 2400 is my safety net. The Delta-X does not have enough outlets for my system, plus the voltage regulation may or may not impact the output of the Delta -X. I will experiment with the Delta-X through the Furman (original plan with both), and separate (with power upgrades from the utility company and my electrician). The deal on the Delta-X and the two Alpha-X cables while not cheap does fall into my 'thrifty', as in big discounts.

Finally, as @faustuss pointed out the 20A line provides plenty, if not excessive, headroom for my system. Perhaps I will upgrade the power amp in the future? Doubt it, but never say never. The Furman 2400 requires a 20A plug and the Shunyata specifies one.

In this hobby everything is relative. I am enjoying it. Thanks for the input. It allowed me an opportunity to put all my reasons for the upgrade in one place.

@thriftyaudio 

Glad I gave you some place to vent!

@cleeds 

Voltage drop would never be a concern unless you want to go deaf! Big power amplifiers never reach their maximum power output into very low resistances for the very reason you mentioned, the powerline sag. A huge amp with a maximum 20 amp draw on a 20 amp mains is going to behave just like a 15 amp one on a 15 amp mains.

@thriftyaudio your Panamax 5300 is none the worse for wear after 20 years since there are very few active components in the thing except for the MOV on the AC input and if the unit ever delt with a surge large enough to open it, it would be dead. The only other active component is the one that disengages the power when yours goes out requiring you to turn the unit back on manually when your neighborhood's power is restored. Personally, I think you'll be hard pressed to find a power conditioner as well thought out ergonomically and with as many useful AC receptacles on it, especially the fact that they are oriented with the ground lug on top which prevents heavy power cords from inching their way out of the socket. It also has the simple dimmable voltage and amp indicators on the front. As well, you can easily replace it if it breaks for less than $600 or if it takes a hit eventually and it isn't completely fried you can replace the MOV and you're back in business. It's nice to be extravagant but pragmatic is better.

 

 

Voltage drop would never be a concern unless you want to go deaf!

You're simply mistaken. I've surprised more than a few people with what a Fluke meter can show about AC power delivery, especially for those with second-rate electric utilities.

A huge amp with a maximum 20 amp draw on a 20 amp mains is going to behave just like a 15 amp one on a 15 amp mains.

You're claiming two different amplifiers with different power requirements will perform the same? That makes no sense.

@faustuss Yep, I am being a bit extravagant ... and I like it. Once a year I do this with my stereo. I could be doing much worse.

@faustuss @cleeds My Delta X has been delayed by Shunyata due to a supplier issue. The electrician just completed the upgrade of my electrical system with an IG 20A line. I was using the Panamax for a day just to establish a baseline.

I decided to compare the Panamax 5300 to the Furman 2400. The Furman is significantly heavier and I thought the impact might be positive. My wife walked in while the Furman was playing and asked what happened to the music. She thought the music sounded "more detailed and nicer." Her words.

She was right. The Furman definitely improved everything. The Panamax will move to the third system in the garage. I am looking forward to comparing the Furman with the Delta-X. Ultimately, I hope my wife hears a difference. I believe I can be influenced by what I think should be the best.