Break In Question?


I have been under the assumption that in order for a component to break in there must be a signal pass through from one piece of equipment to another. That is, running a Dac/Preamp into an amp, the amp must be turned on for the Dac/Preamp to break in.

But is this really true? Does the amp really need to be turned on?

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I love the way scientists and engineers think their profession adds any credibility. It hobbles you and you become a victim of your education as well as the way you choose to view the world. 

@audition__audio You hit a critical point. Any good scientists would already know knowledge in science changes constantly and changes a lot. There is hardly anything that can be labeled as "absolute" So when people throw down their scientific degrees, and saying they trust the "Science" what exactly are they saying?

Like all the scientists in the 60s saying Nicotine was not addicting. People certainly trusted the science. 

Or when Scientists concluded the Auroras absolutely didn’t make any sound and that the people who say the Auroras did were dillusional.

Or  "trust the Science" in 2021 LOL. Oh that’s a big one. You will see. 

"Trust the Science" has literally become a meme and a cult. 

I have the Martin Logan Summit X. These speakers each have 2 knobs on the back allowing me to adjust the bass quantity of 25hz and 50 hz. These speakers have dual 10-inch woofer, 1 pair have 4. They produce a lot of quality bass.

I’ve had brand new cables in my system where it virtually have no bass, turning up these knobs did little to increase the bass. Don’t tell me my mind was playing tricks. I know when my bass is off, let alone at this magnitude. 

Of course, after some break-in, the bass slowly comes to life. 

"Or when Scientists concluded the Auroras absolutely didn’t make any sound and that the people who say the Auroras did were dillusional."

Ah, yes. The consistent false belief of seeing crunchy pickles everywhere...

 

@douglas_schroeder after reading this thread I purchased the Kindle edition of your book, and read the first 1/4 of it with great interest. I am only a few years into the serious audiophile experience, and find your so-called laws to be very helpful perspectives despite what I imagine some will find a too-absolutistis tenor. You appreciate that risk, shown by the graphic you used of Moses with his tablets. Regardless, your book has nuance, and the "laws" serve well as guideposts or cautionary tales for decision-making. I look forward to finishing your book.

Ok, enough time spent on this. IMO, there has not been a single on topic direct response to my claims, which have been reinforced with testing and examples of new drivers in speakers. An objection stating, "I heard this over x period of time," is not a serious challenge to my practically instant comparisons. Nor are they a serious challenge to my examples of switching out old drivers for new in speakers. 

BTW, i have never paid any attention to Audio Science Review. I believe over the past years I saw two titles of videos that I thought might be interesting, but neither one was relevant to real world system building. I concluded I can safely ignore that source.Objectivists can make as many mistakes in system building as subjectivists who claim break in is real, i.e., that the equipment audibly changes its performance over initial use, 

There, that will win me a lot more friends! In the book I also discuss the pitfalls of objectivist audio and how it hampers system building.