VPI non-Anti Skate Q


I'm sure this Q has been discussed before, but I haven't seen an answer.


I see most brands using Anti Skate as protection from damage to both LP and stylus. VPI is the only brand I see not using it, as they have a different approach that their arms naturally provide anti-skate force.


My Q for VPI Signature 21 using Fatboy Gimbal 10-3D Tonearm: would not using anti-skating be perfectly safe for stylus and LP, same as to other brands who use anti-skate?

Thanks a lot!

mard

In retrospect I saw that you did mention stylus installation error. Apologies for that. But given the fact of stylus installation error, aligning the cantilever might by chance make zenith error worse  (or better if you’re lucky).

Relevant to the alignment of stylus to cantilever maybe things are getting better?  Has anyone else noticed that in the past year or two the alignment of stylus to cantilevers seems to have improved?  Almost across the board I am seeing better alignment recently.  

I think it's not a universal for all VPI arms and carts, but I am using a Signature 21 as well without the anti-skate engaged. However, when setting up my table the dealer set up the anti-skate using the wally tools skater tool. This showed that in my specific setup, anti-skate was not needed, and using the anti-skate did indeed provide too much anti-skate force. 

So rather than generalizing, have a proper anti-skate test done during set up. 

... aligning the cantilever might by chance make zenith error worse ...

That's certainly true. But my reason for aligning the cantilever itself is to get a reliable starting point, because every parameter is a compromise and often affected by the others. It's impossible for each to be perfect - after all, there is no "perfect." Audiophiles can't even agree on Baerwald vs. Stevenson vs. Lofrgen null points.

Also, as I noted earlier, if you offset the cantilever on alignment you affect the alignment to the MC cart  coils. 

Elliot,You wrote, "I recently found, my Vintage JVC Victor UA-7082 arm: both the tracking weight markings correspond with my digital scale, and the delicate, nearly infinite anti-skate spring also (it’s corresponding marks, who knows what force?) to work quite well. I an bewildered by how an internal spring can be this old and remain accurate."

I am curious how they use a spring to deliver AS, because the force exerted by a spring is proportional to the distance by which the spring is stretched from its resting position, which means that the force would vary linearly as the cartridge traverses the LP surface.  But the internals may be more complex than my simple-minded imagining of what is going on inside. Likewise, magnetic force varies according to an inverse square law, so also ought not to be constant as the cartridge tracks. If one wants a near constant AS force, the good old string and weight has its merits, although even there, there would be slight variation of the magnitude of AS across the surface of an LP, because the angle that the string makes with its outboard guide is changing as the pivot rotates. That changing angle would have an affect on the net magnitude of the AS force. Meantime, the skating force is varying in a manner having nothing to do with springs, magnets, or strings.  Why I wonder what is the "correct setting" for AS.