Do You Ever Get Glare/Raspy Sound on High Pitched Female Vocal Lines?


I sometimes get a harsh glare or slightly raspy sound on female vocal lines when they sing loud, high pitched notes.  It’s hard to explain the sound exactly, but if you’ve ever experienced it, you’ll know what I’m speaking of.  Two examples are Norah Jones, Don’t Know Why at 1:57 with line  “You’ll be ON my mind”.   The other is Michael Bluble’s Quando, Quando, Quando featuring Nelly Furtardo.  Her line “I can’t wait a moment more, Tell me quando, quando, quando” at 1:53 is another good example.  This happens at moderate to fairly loud volume levels. 

Trying to determine if it’s coming from the midrange section or quasi ribbon tweeter, I’ve disconnected the speaker jumpers from one while keeping the other jumped and found it occurs in both the midrange and the tweeters.  I’ve also swapped out two other DACs and have bypassed the preamp by going directly to the amp from the DACS, but it makes no difference.  It doesn’t sound like clipping distortion or typical speaker breakup.  I’ve even inserted 1 ohm resistors on the Magnepans  and while it reduces it a bit, it’s still there.  I can also hear it to a somewhat lesser degree on my old Theil 1.5s and KEF KS50s at fairly loud, but not crazy volume levels.  Both of those speakers are driven with 400 watt @ 4 Ohms and a 300 watt @ 4 Ohms amps respectively.  I can’t imagine that I’m clipping the amps.

Does anyone else have this occur on their systems?  Any ideas on what’s going on here?

My system is Magnepan 3.7x speakers, PS Audio Airlens, Stellar Gold DAC, PMG Signature preamp & BHK 250 amp, streaming Tidal. 

stevehardy1

Some times you have to think "inside of the box."

You never mentioned on what format you listen to this.  When I ordered the CD, I noticed that the cut in question is the first cut on the CD.

If you are listening to the CD and you turn on your system and put this on, the system has not had enough time to warm up and all kinds of nasties are possible.  If this is the case, go back and relisten to the track after playing the remainder of the CD.  Has this helped?

I am of the opinion the first song on any media, from a cold start, is a washout and things get better over the next few tracks.  My system doesn’t really get good (e.g., reduced glare, enhanced imaging) until at least 20 minutes or more of play.

Some times you have to think "inside of the box."

You never mentioned on what format you listen to this. 

Yes I did.  Read my opening post...I stream with Tidal.

OK, thanks...,

But the premiss still stands..., had you allowed enough time for your equipment to fully come up to temperature?

Another thing to consider is a boost in certain frequencies as a consequence of phase relationships between your speakers and room. If both your room and speakers have a peak in a certain range, the combination of both would produce the splashing you hear. I would guess it's in the 2-3k area. 

I would encourage you to use a calibrated microphone and RTA to identify the frequencies you're hearing boosted and play with speaker placement to see exactly what’s happening. Compare correlated to uncorrelated pink noise to see what happens when both channels reproduce the same signal. You may find that it occurs most when both speakers reproduce the same signal.That's where both speakers reinforce each other with the room an additional variable. 

Ignore the cable dudes or suggestions it’s in the recording. @ghdprenticemashif and @erik_squires are on the right track (pun intended).

I experienced exactly the same issue with exactly the same artist (Nora Jones Come Away with Me (HiRes version, Qobuz) this afternoon playing around with speaker positioning and room treatments. Not the first time. I use this "induced distortion" as a quality metric. This is one of several reference tracks I use.

Moving the speakers too close OR too far from the front wall created the issue and somewhere in between made it go away. Distance between also matters.

Easy and free, start with speaker positioning. Don’t be afraid to ignore the norms or manufacturers recommendations.

The room is a bit more difficult a problem to mitigate.

PS. Another good test track for the same issue is Rachelle Ferrell "I Can Explain". Also good for imaging and bass response.