Am I no longer allowed to consider myself an Audiophile?


OK, I actually have some pretty decent equipment to listen to. But lately I've been inundated with reviews/opinions about the unmatched transparency of the Magico M9 loudspeakers. But at the same time I have been admiring the new Yamaha NS-5000 speakers (about $15K) which are considered quite awesome sounding in their own right. This brings me back to my 1st wonderful sounding  ADS-810-II speakers (2X 8in. woofers, and a dome-midrange and tweeter). Easy to set up, nice wood cabinets, matching stands, less than $900/pair, with remarkable separation of  instruments, great for ALL types of music, and only minor limitations. Anyway, as nice as the Magico's are, the required room and a whole lot of other things that are necessary to make them play music makes me want to complain about all the over-the-top gushing coming from various experts. It's not the cost of the M-9's that bothers me, but the "laboratory conditions" you almost have to place them in. OTOH, the Yamaha speakers got favorable reviews from the Abs,Sound in 2020, so what more do you really need if you have a living room (a couch, a coffee table, pictures on the wall.etc.) to really "listen" when the music takes over? I find the bewildering complexity involved with scientifically "almost perfect" sounding million-dollar systems to be what it is- an experimental approach rather than a pleasurable way to relax and imagine becoming a part of the performance. So I would want to go to a dealer and audition the Magico's,no question about it. But I would bring some music with me, and I'm certain it would be an enlightening experience. But I wonder if it would change my overall opinion about recorded music. 

french_fries

I had not thought about it before, but @french_fries  got me thinking. I have a nice revealing system now that can sound great at times depending on recording quality, but yeah I may have enjoyed my 1st decent much less expensive system more in some ways. Nice Carver pre amp and cube amp, low end Sony tt and Ortofon cart and Genesis 3 way 10" box speakers. It played loud, I could eq bass up from the pre amp the sonic holography was cool and I didnt critique sound quality like now. I liked to rock.

Id say my state of mind was much different then. Teenager, little worries and had the best stereo of any of my friends.

So as a nonaudiophile then, music was different in my head.

A good post and sincere. In fact it was the responses that I knew would follow that I really enjoy.

First I knew that some member would chime in exposing some subjective view of consumerism and the evils of these types of indulgences. To which I always reply keep your views to yourself. You either have made a personal choice not to spend too much money or you dont have it to begin with. In any case make your own choices and leave others alone  

True some speakers are easier to place than others, but the cost of a speaker has nothing to do with the complexity of set up. Better associated equipment is needed simply because the speaker is more transparent and revealing. A better speaker is still better than a more modest speaker with the same equipment. The warts are simply more apparent. 

One of the members mentioned something to the effect that Yamaha tuned the speakers to sound more like their instruments. A bit of thought should quickly reveal the absurdity of such an assertion. Essentially what they are doing, at best, is designing the speaker with some coloration that some find pleasant. Kind of like the belief in the effectiveness of thin walled speaker cabinets and energy dissipation. You may not like the sound of a inert cabinet speaker like a Magico, but it is a better way to design a speaker whose goal is accuracy. It can be no other way. Oh and it is elimination of many colorations that make the speaker better but also is the reason many think the speaker is cold and uninvolving.

Unless buying used you should always audition any speaker at any price. When auditioning use music that is familiar and also try to duplicate not only the type of component used (S.S. or tubes) but also insist the upstream components are of similar price.

What you like the best is what you should buy even if you end up with a "tuned" speaker. Buy what you like and pay little attention to the reviewers. I put more credence in the opinion of members on this forum than with the reviewers. I think you will find some of the newer speaker significantly better than your ADS, but with this improvement comes the problem that Ozzy Osborne doesnt sound as similar to Donald Fagen any longer.

If you buy correctly, it will increase your enjoyment of music significantly. It may also mean that you may enjoy poorly recorded music less. This has not been the case for me, but many start to limit their software to better recordings which really after system improvements.

 

 

The classic Audiophiles use music to test their system while music lovers use the system to listen to new music. Back in the day it was always the desire to play that new album being way more enjoyable than waiting to listen to it on the Audiophile system. Saying that you can easily fall into the rabbit hole trap. I’ve heard lots of High End systems that at least for me where not that impressive. Others that sounded great with esoteric recordings but terrible trying to play some of my favourite tunes. The obvious example being Bat out of Hell. It sounds just as good on MP3 on a sound bar. I’ve also heard some very good indeed sounding budget systems that you could easily listen to all day. I would say to be honest that your ears and brain do get used to a certain sound signature and are quite happy for it not to change. If you didn’t read the media than you wouldn’t care what you have as long as you are happy with it. Long live the music :)

 

@simonb 

"The obvious example being Bat out of Hell. It sounds just as good on MP3 on a sound bar."

Most popular music only has a few decibels of dynamic range anyway, the rest is noise. Low bit MP3 can cover that and you probably can't hear the difference either.

@faustuss 

"Most popular music only has a few decibels of dynamic range anyway, the rest is noise. Low bit MP3 can cover that and you probably can't hear the difference either."

I differ on that opinion. It's more than a few DB's and where does the noise come from?

Cheers.