SourcePoint 888 owners – low-end bass in open rooms?


I’ve had my MoFi SourcePoint 888s for a while now and overall I really enjoy them. They are paired with a Parasound A21 and P6 preamp. Sources are mostly vinyl (MoFi StudioDeck with MasterTracker) plus CD.

What I love:

- clarity
- separation
- dynamics
- clean sound at volume

What I’m struggling with:

I keep feeling like I’m missing some low-end weight and room-filling bass. Bass is there and sounds clean, but often it doesn’t feel as full or physically present as I expected based on reviews.

My room may be part of the issue:

- current room is approximately 11x18
- one entire side is open to the rest of the upstairs
- listening distance about 8 ft
- speaker spacing about 9 ft

I’ve already experimented extensively with:

- speaker distance from front wall
- listening position
- toe-in
- volume levels

Some recordings sound excellent and punchy, but many leave me wanting more low-end fullness and physicality.

Questions for other 888 owners:

- Are you getting strong low-end bass/fullness from these?
- Did room size or openness affect bass significantly?
- Did moving to an enclosed room help?
- Did any of you eventually add a subwoofer (REL or otherwise)?
- If so, did it “complete” the system?

Trying to determine whether:
1. this is mostly a room issue,
2. a setup/integration issue,
3. or simply the natural character of the 888s.

Thanks in advance.

mcashiola

@mcashiola, I got new SP 888s just over a year ago.  My quick answer is yes, they do produce impressive (musical and natural, not necessarily dominant) bass.

My experience:

From the start they were better than my Janszens which are great speakers but worked much better in my previous house.  There is a lesson in room matching. 

My open floor plan is 28x23x11 so no comparison with your situation there.

When I got the 888s it was part of a plan to simplify my system.  So that included going from mono blocs and a line stage to an Accuphase E-280 integrated.  Quality not quantity electronics.

Recently I made two upgrades.  I replaced the metal strap between the T/M and W with the same 12 g wire as connecting the speakers.  And I replaced original footers with IsoAcoustic Gaia II Neo footers.  That resulted in better defined bass, increased placement within the soundstage, and overall better clarity and instrumental definition.

I'm not against subwoofers but have no sense of need for them.  My bass extension is within the 30 Hz range.

 

@pryso thank you for sharing your experience and tips. We are hoping very soon to enclose the room where my system is, and we will also be carpeting It. Once I know how the speakers behave in the new setting, I will look into both these options.Thanks again! It’s good to know of someone else that has the same speakers.

BTW, the dimensions of our newly enclosed room will be approximately 17 x 18. I’ve assumed that size of room will be a good match for the source point 888’s

More bass energy? If moving the speakers closer to the front wall or corners is unsatisfactory, then either replace speakers or get a subwoofer or two.  

Making your room more square is going to create other issues with your bass response especially.  Rectangular rooms are always better.  It may wind up working perfectly for you somehow.  But my opinion is that it isn't the recording if it's consistent.  Most modern recordings are mastered fairly flat in the bass response.  Most likely your room nodes are causing big nulls in your frequency response in your sub bass. 

Closing off the room sounded great until I heard you're turning it into basically a square.  Keep us posted.  If the response is the same or worse, you will most likely need 3 or 4 subs in that configuration if you want a flattish response.  Sometimes two can do it though especially if you run your towers full range but it's nice to take the sub energy off your towers.  I've found that by doing that it makes them sound better because those 8" drivers aren't having to produce 20 hz etc.  Best of luck!