Am I no longer allowed to consider myself an Audiophile?


OK, I actually have some pretty decent equipment to listen to. But lately I've been inundated with reviews/opinions about the unmatched transparency of the Magico M9 loudspeakers. But at the same time I have been admiring the new Yamaha NS-5000 speakers (about $15K) which are considered quite awesome sounding in their own right. This brings me back to my 1st wonderful sounding  ADS-810-II speakers (2X 8in. woofers, and a dome-midrange and tweeter). Easy to set up, nice wood cabinets, matching stands, less than $900/pair, with remarkable separation of  instruments, great for ALL types of music, and only minor limitations. Anyway, as nice as the Magico's are, the required room and a whole lot of other things that are necessary to make them play music makes me want to complain about all the over-the-top gushing coming from various experts. It's not the cost of the M-9's that bothers me, but the "laboratory conditions" you almost have to place them in. OTOH, the Yamaha speakers got favorable reviews from the Abs,Sound in 2020, so what more do you really need if you have a living room (a couch, a coffee table, pictures on the wall.etc.) to really "listen" when the music takes over? I find the bewildering complexity involved with scientifically "almost perfect" sounding million-dollar systems to be what it is- an experimental approach rather than a pleasurable way to relax and imagine becoming a part of the performance. So I would want to go to a dealer and audition the Magico's,no question about it. But I would bring some music with me, and I'm certain it would be an enlightening experience. But I wonder if it would change my overall opinion about recorded music. 

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I have my feet firmly planted on both sides of this fence, but my heart is grounded in the music. Some of my equipment is extremely expensive (at least for me), while other elements are definitely bargain bin selections. This goes for cables too.

Regarding speakers: I seem to always be seeking speakers that sound better than what I own. While several different ones sound great, none have motivated me to make a change. For awhile I was certain Sonus Faber, Magico, B&W (have owned three sets in my 2nd system and only have the center channel remaining), Vandersteen (had one pair in the 2nd system and now gone), the Yamaha NS5000 mentioned above, and many more. My Acoustat 1+1, that I purchased for $350 over thirty years ago (I am the third owner), that were refreshed twice over the years pushing the total investment to near $500 (not a typo) are my reference speakers (supported by an active SPL Crossover and a pair of Rythmik F12SE subs). The only speakers that I would replace the Acoustat pair with are a few different TAD models. Of course, the prices are astronomical and I cannot justify the cost. My Audiogon name reflects my approach to buying almost everything, but especially audio. Thrifty Audio reflects my goal of getting the best possible for a reasonable amount.

Enjoy what you have and only upgrade if it truly makes sense to you. Being an Audiophile is more a state of mind and absolutely nothing about how much something costs.

Audiophiles are people who enjoy chasing perfection. Who enjoy the process as well as the outcome. I really enjoy extremely complex and ambiguous problems. Like those of which the goals are unclear, the means to the end are unclear, the solutions are ambiguous with multiple variables. It holds my attention. Also, I love listening to music. So, it has been my pursuit for most of my life and I have, what for me is the ultimate solution. Along the way I have had to figure out what my goals were, how components interact within  systems, how to assess equipment and separate hype from reality... etc.

You have made some good observations. I would not touch Magico with a ten foot pole. Not because they are not spectacularly good speakers, but for the reason you stated. You need an incredible set of support equipment and venue to allow them perform well. In anything less they sound terrible. 

So, if the process isn’t really fun and enjoyable... finding the perfect balance of equipment and venue is not going to happen. There are so many variables that there is virtually no chance of you accidenting upon them. So, best to adjust your goals towards easy going, relaxed components that are likely to produce good sounding music, versus a scientific instrument like the Web telescope for sound reproduction. The latter will take a lifetime of work to make the output sound great... 

So, good post, good point. 

@zx10 Ouch! MY xt250 and I are certainly butt hurt and will drown our sorrows in some bourbon. We forgive you. To each his own.

To me, simply by the fact that you are still chasing the audiophile rabbit deep down it's hole, pondering this and other audiophile entities answers your question.

Yes, you are an Audiophile.

Dear Toro3, WHOA, STOP RIGHT THERE!

I appreciated your comment nonetheless, and I thought I had made a new friend besides. I just wanted to share my views given the time, effort, and money I have already spent on my system, and I ignore some of the limitations that, at the end of the day, I know I will never get rid of. Just the house-hunting I went through years ago was a major pain- until I found one with a "great room"- 14 x 20 with cathedral ceilings. No, I could not build a house from scratch ($$$). or one with a "horse barn" attached. But I made out OK, just not my version of Nirvana. Maybe Magico could (just for me of course) build a stand-mounted 2-way with a sub. I wonder how close to transparent they could get and simplify everything at the same time. It could cost less and still have the same quality-level. But please share your thoughts at any rate. Older people (like me) can use the support!