why are sellers to be trusted, but buyers are not?


We buy and sell on sites like this so there is an exchange of 2 things that  have  an agreed upon equal value

  1. the item being sold from a seller
  2. money from a buyer

in all cases, the seller must be trusted to send the item as described, but the buyer is not trusted to send the money. And more and more, sellers are insisting to be paid in ways that have no recourse for the buyer, like PayPal F&F, Venmo, etc.

The item and the money are of equal value.. so why is one party to be trusted and the other is not? Why does the seller always insist on waiting to get paid before they ship? Why doesn’t the buyer insisting on getting the item before they will pay for it?

I have hundreds of perfect feedback going back over 20 years  on multiple platforms, but the seller always insists I pay them first even if they have much, much less feedback. Why should I trust them if they don't trust me?

just curious

 

 

herman

So, still a perfect rebuttal. I also bought a car that I only paid for 2 days after I drove it off the lot.

D-uh. You were present at the dealership and did the paperwork including your driver license, SSN and credit history. Please use common sense while responding.

I have had many buyers try to commit fraud on things I sold them. 3 times, I had people issue a complaint to PayPal that they never received the item, but they all forgot they had to sign for them which I gave the proof to PayPal. Plus I’ve had multiple people tell me the item didn’t work when I sent them a video of it working before I shipped it off. I told them that if they sent the original piece back to me with my documented proof of what I sold them (serial #, a certain piece of info on the unit itself that only I and PayPal would know, and after I told them this, they decided it was working fine.

it is well known that people buy working stuff and ship their old non working stuff back to the seller and PayPal gives them a refund, so the seller is screwed. Also, I found out years ago that selling overseas, signature doesn’t work past customs, so somebody can state they never received the piece and the seller can’t check if they signed for it or not. 
PayPal almost always sides with the buyer. PayPal F&F used to work but not anymore. So the latest stuff I’ve sold involved the buyer wiring money. I always request that the buyer comes to the house to listen to the equipment, check it out, then they can wire me the funds. I’ve had 4 people drive 400-1100 miles to pick up speakers, and turntables that I had all the boxes for but refused to ship them. 

The simple way to eliminate the perceived imbalance is to go to the seller to pick up your item.  If you don’t do that, the seller says “I’m willing to absorb the time and expense to ship (read: deliver) it to you - in exchange for you paying up front (with a third party escrow to cover your risk at a relatively small cost.”)

@ibmjunkman 

The CEO's of UPS and FEDEX state that it is network configurations and technological advancements that require the yearly 5%+ cost increases.

I was not arguing the merits or demerits of lost packages, but since you brought it up you need to take into account that each of the carriers have economy options that do not have guaranteed delivery and can- as you found on Reddit - have shipping movements that are perplexing.

If one were really to dig into that, you would find they are simply aggregating shipments and while it may seem ridiculous, one must understand shipping processes that are designed to save costs over direct routing. Think of it as, "well the truck goes there everyday and while in the wrong direction, we have a truck at its destination (a larger distribution center) that runs daily back to its final destination". Basically, its operations, and there is nothing odd about a package designed to be economically shipped going opposite of where it is meant to land.

I sold a large pair (very heavy) speakers that I bought without the boxes, so I sold them as “pickup only”. Since the buyer wasn’t local, he hired a local company to come to my house, pack up the speakers in front of me, and then ship them to the buyer. Both myself and the packet were paid up front (wired funds to me days in advance). The buyer loves them and it was well worth the expense to get them packed well and shipped with no issues.

I am amazed how many dealers get rid of the boxes when they set them up in their showrooms. It just happened to me this week. Every purchase has to include the original boxes.