Power Tube Failure


A little while ago a small tube (in my Phono-Preamp) died.  It was a subtle affair in which the tube turned white and the glass cracked, not necessarily in that order.  This failure was interesting, but not dangerous.

Yet, this event got me wondering - what happens when a power tube dies?

My Preamp's power tube runs quite hot, and I am concerned it may be a FIRE HAZARD when that tube fails. 

My second concern is that my Preamp may be DAMAGED when the power tube dies.

So, I am hoping to hear from anyone who has EXPERIENCED a power tube failure and can provide any insight regarding what to expect. 

 

notes:

a. Yes, my Preamp counts hours, but I own several power tubes and do not know how many hours of service each has provided. 

b. Testing these tubes is not plausible - I do not have a tube-tester, and there are no HiFi retailers within a reasonable driving distance.

Thanks in advance for your stories!

Best,

inagroove

the 12 in 12AX7 denotes it’s maximum heater voltage though it can be successfully used in a circuit at 6.3 volts.

@faustuss E88CC (6922 / 6DJ8), not E83CC. 12V is definitely no-bueno on the former. I goofed because I have a preamp with an internal switch between 6DJ8 / 12DJ8. The Seimens E88CC glowed like the sun lol. Tough tubes. 

Tubes that have not been powered up for an extended period of time will often make sporadic noises since all the various elements that make up the components inside the tube have a tendency to move around in the vacuum on an atomic level and are quickly scavenged up by gettering.

This particular set was brand new Russian KT88 Mullard, noisy (intermittent, not steady) even after biasing and settling for 20 minutes. Definitely not good. A tube crapped out soon as I put signal through. They still test great, strangely (mA, gm). New power tubes should be generally quiet, apart from maybe an isolated soft pop burning off some impurity. 

And I get that vintage tube circuits are durable and stable, even over decades. I’ve had some vintage Eicos & Heathkits and love them. I was simply chuffed that instead of popping a sacrificial fuse I get a red LED indicator on the bad tube slot and no fuse needing replacement (still has the main fuse as final safeguard).

@mulveling 

Thanks for the information.  I checked-out the the MaxiPreamp II & MaxiMatcher that you own.  The metrics seem just what I am looking for, and the pair seem very appropriate who has as many tubes running has your system requires.

Today the price-point (~$2k) seems a bit high for my TWO -12AX7 PhonoPre and ONE 6550-PreAmp.  Still, I have back-up tubes that need to be tested, so I may pull the trigger at some point.

Very best,

 

@mulveling @jea48 @faustuss - thanks for keeping it lively!

... you have made this conversation one of the most strings that I have read on AG in sometime :-)

 

faustuss Regarding the statement "your 6SE it is employed employed as a voltage regulator...", does this imply that the Ref-6 SE's 6550 will likely LAST LONGER (more slowly degrade) than a a similar tubes that are used for direct power output?

Background info: even though the Ref-6 SE's 6550 (Sovteck) is not a power tube, it reaches 180+F, thus it seems to be very inefficient (causing it to degrade?).  Consequently, would you recommend that this voltage-regulator 6550 be occasionally tested like 6550s which are used as power tubes? 

Best

@faustuss 

My friend with the Rogue amp was not tube rolling... the amp was new with less than 75 hours on it using the tubes that came with it.