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He appears to be the forum curmudgeon.
Now, get off his lawn!
Amir of ASR admitted 1 cable sounded better than the other. NOT CLICKBAIT
There is a recent thread inquiring about the Puritan PSM156, and someone lead to another product the Niagara 1200. Long story short. I come across a review of Amir admitting the "Generic" cable sound better than the Audioquest chain.
If 1 cable can sound better than another, and Amir has admitted to it. Is there really anything left to discuss except that we have been right all along?
Proof: Go to the "Listening Test" of the review.
@samureyex You're right! If a product already exceeds human audibility yet the newest model is .0002% lower distortion SOME people WILL hear a difference and must buy it. They stimulate their market into believing. This is total fantasy yet the marketing masters know how to manipulate this weakness to their financial advantage. These high end cable guys don't even give any numbers to back their claims.Avoid any factual scientific reasoning. All fantasy. "They don't sell the steak, they sell the sizzle". A marketing plan for Starbucks... they kept lowering the price but it gave a percieved image that they were selling 'cheap' product. They turned the company around by raising the price more than double!! People swore that it was now the most delicious coffee ever! Nope, same coffee. Peoples perception of quality changes with price. It's a fact.
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@samureyex You are right and I am not in the ASR camp. From my experience, cables, dacs, amps, etc., can sound different. At a certain level, different is not necessarily objectively "better" - that's a matter of subjective taste. With that said, I think Amir is a serious person and he is able to discuss differences of opinion rationally, without rancor. A lot of his followers sadly lack that ability as do a lot of folks on our side of the debate. I've seen people on this forum call him an idiot, which he is certainly not. These debates often end up in name calling, which usually says more about the attacker than the target.Maybe its happened, but I've never seen a single person switch sides based on the back and forth. So, other than whatever pleasure some seem to find in arguing, it goes nowhere. Which is why I say buy what makes you happy, you don't have to please anyone else. And don't worry about what someone else chooses to buy, or what they hear-or don't hear. If you actually think you can convince someone on the other side that you are right, that's the triumph of hope over experience. |
Any cable will change the sound, and this is due to how the unit's power supply, along with its input and output impedances, interacts with the cable and power cord. So, how any cables will sound in any of our systems is unknown until you use them. Do you have to spend crazy money on cables? No, but you should buy quality-made cables. A lot is to justify the prices asked and have been designed for their looks, as much for sound quality, and for audio gear, it is the same. I heard systems 40 years ago that sounded like real music with no exotic cables in the system or power conditioners. So, I always keep that in mind. But they do make a sound difference when used right? We all can hear that. Scopes have nothing to do with interactions within our system’s gear where they are connected, thus interacting with each other as a whole. Amir’s view and his followers is audiophile gear claims made are false; well, I say more marketing for sales with terms that, at times, make me laugh. They play on our ignorance of cable design or even gear, so they can make any type of claims they want to make. What they sell today is so much better than what they made before. They need sales to stay in business. At the end of the day, we are talking wire here, nothing more, nothing less. There are always people who want to hear what Amir has to say to justify their view that we are fools. Well, we all cannot be fools if you buy gear and hear a difference. There is no absolute sound, because everything is colored; it’s what you enjoy that makes it the absolute sound for you, and that’s all that counts. The best sound investment is in your room acoustics and making your room audio-only with a proper speaker setup. |