Turntable advice / opinion on setup / sound.


Hello all you analog experts. I am seeking some advice, opinions and direction to try, based on my tastes and setup. 

I’m not loving my current TT sound but there are variables that could cause this. For reference, my favorite TT I ever owned was the ClearAudio Champion Level 2 (wish I never sold it) because it was warm and had a huge stage. 

  1. I listen to every style of music, smooth jazz to hard metal. 
  2. I have to turn the volume way up to get the get the level I like which at times has hiss and a tiny bit of hum. Compared to digital sources which have none of these issues. 
  3. I find this setup to lack huge stage and warmth. 

My current system is:

  1. Rega Planar 8 w/ Alpheta 2 MC cart.  
  2. Cambridge Audio -> Alva Duo Phono Pre amp
  3. Mark Levinson -> No 585 Amp. 
  4. Martin Logan 15a Renaissance -> 8FT apart/ 3ft off the front wall and 3 FT from each side wall. I sit 9FT away from the speakers.  

The turntables I am considering are:

1) Musical Fidelity -> M8XTT

What cart would you use?

2) Michell Audio -> Gyro SE Turntable

3) Clear Audio Champion Level 2

Thank you all in advance for any guidance and opinions you can offer. 

necrosuit

+1 @macg19 - going to use WAM services and pick up an assortment of tools, especially the anti-skate. 

@macg19 

Yes, I met the Wally dude (sorry I should have gotten his name), had a very enjoyable talk with him. I watched many videos, they are good, I learned things. 

btw, OP said

"Yea, I actually live a few miles away from Groove Tickler, he is a  master at Cartridge check / reapir / re-tip etc its great that hes near by." 

Yes, luck, like me living close to Mack Camera, or VAS.

Most people don't live near an expert, it's a shame there isn't a system, like Windshields, or now Auto Detailing, whereby they come to you in a van, do the job there and then, bang, gone.

 @elliottbnewcombjr 

Hi Elliot!

J.R. Boisclair. He is intense when it comes to vinyl. He backs up his products by picking up the phone when you call for help, and being really helpful.

I did note the reference to Groove Tickler but he also said he doesn't have anyone to help with setting up the cart, so I assumed GT doesn't offer that service.  

The mobile idea is great, but not a viable business until we get a teleporter. 

@lewm 

I referred to the headshell offset angle as an angular error, because it IS an angle and it DOES create an error in terms of its contribution to creating a skating force

Indeed, but the tracking error it causes is far smaller than the headshell offset angle itself, so it should not be called the offset angle error because it isn’t!

Without detracting from Lofgren’s work in 1940, I mentioned Percy Wilson’s pioneering work.  His analysis and equations were published over 100 years ago in The Gramophone magazine, September and October 1924 issues. This is generally regarded as the first calculated solution including overhang, offset angle and null points popularised in the English language, but there is a preceding French patent filed in 1907 by Hungarian merchant Bela Harsanyi - well before stereo and electrical recording.

@elliottbnewcombjr 

With a pivoting arm, there is NATURAL (someone else explain it, somewhere else) inward skate on a GROOVELESS surface, The anti-skate is NEEDED to counter the amount of skate

I used the word ’groove’ to denote a direction. which a groove-less surface does not define.  Both groove and groove-less surface exert friction but is a long bow to assume the friction is the same!

The friction-induced force is always vectored along the direction of the groove (ignoring the wiggles).  I believe @lewm uses cantilever to describe the same direction though cantilevers do change direction slightly depending on the antiskating force applied.

Forces can be broken down into components using vector analysis, in this case into a component from the stylus to the pivot, and another at right angles - which pulls sideways and is the skating force.

I did think of starting a separate thread comparing Vertical Tracking Angle errors to Horizontal Tracking Angle errors.  Maybe I should.  So far, nobody here has challenged my analysis, which in summary suggests that a well-set-up pivoted tonearm has HTA errors equivalent to an 8-mm change in cartridge height during play of a 12" record side with a 9" arm.  8-mm is a lot of shims

@kennyc Cool. When I was done with the WAM process obviously the sound/balance/imaging was great. But the unadvertised benefit was that I no longer felt the need to tweak the set up, question it, or even think about it. Quite liberating really.