What are your Eureka Moments in this Hobby?


OK so I did steal this term form @lordmelton 

I wandered through midfi.  Surround speakers, 5.1 set ups, eventually getting to Classe Pre / Pro, Parasound 5 channel amp, Bowers and Wilkens Nautilus 800 series speakers and M / K Subs.  Then the best thing ever happened.  My Classe SSP-800 Pre / Pro broke for the second time.  So I ended up getting an Audionet Pre G-1 preamp.  Eureka!  What were your events?

fastfreight

@mrmb  — Thank you for your thoughtful engagement with my posts, and for your reflections!

Your description of moving along a continuum — from eyes-closed focused listening to barely registering that music is playing — touches on something historically underappreciated. The intense, reverential, silent attention we now treat as the "correct" way to receive music is actually a fairly recent invention. If I recall correctly, Mozart expected that people would talk during performances, and took delight when audiences applauded a particularly nice effect mid-movement. Historian James H. Johnson, in Listening in Paris, argues that Parisian audiences only fell genuinely silent around 1830 — and that this shift was itself a historical event, not a natural condition. 

From the book: "This book grew from a simple question. Why did French audiences become silent? Eighteenth-century travelers’ accounts of the Paris Opéra and memoirs of concertgoers describe a busy, preoccupied public, at times loud and at others merely sociable, but seldom deeply attentive. Why, over the hundred years between 1750 and 1850, did audiences stop talking and start listening? The answer is anything but simple. This transformation in behavior was a sign of fundamental change in listening, one whose elements included everything from the physical features of the hall to the musical qualities of the works."

In short, what drove it was partly the music of Beethoven, which demanded more concentrated listening, and partly a middle-class social project: restraint of emotion in the concert hall became a way to distinguish respectable audiences from the working class, and the old spontaneous bodily response to music was recast as "primitive." In other words, the reverential silence we've inherited is as much a class artifact as an acoustic one. This is replayed in the fetish we see in the hobby for pretty, shiny, expensive gear. Axpona as a commercial-religious ceremony.

Brian Eno made exactly this challenge to one type of listening explicit in 1978 with Ambient 1: Music for Airports, where he argued that music could be designed to be, in his phrase, "as ignorable as it is interesting" — something that rewards attention when given it, but doesn't demand it. This was a direct provocation to the idea that unfocused listening is inferior listening. What you're describing across your Echos, your surround rooms, and your SoundLab rig is essentially a lived version of Eno's argument: different modes of attention are not a hierarchy with eyes-closed critical listening at the top — they are different relationships with music, each valid on its own terms.

The risk in audiophile culture — and I say this as someone who has spent considerable effort optimizing a dedicated room — is that we can turn the focused mode into a moral standard and subtly denigrate everything else. Your son's Klipsch system is not a lesser experience; it is a different one, and possibly freer.

Two other things in your post worth noting. Your observation that A/B differences "evaporate" once the comparison is done and you settle into listening is one of the more honest things to read on this forum. It maps directly onto what controlled listening research consistently shows — that the salience of differences under comparison conditions is not a reliable guide to their significance under normal listening conditions. It's a nice reminder that people with limited budgets can become audiophiles, too.

And your closing question about whether the upgrade chase is hardwired into human nature is not rhetorical: there is genuine behavioral economics literature suggesting that anticipation and acquisition reliably produce more dopamine than possession. The hunt, as you say, may be the point.

The big moment for me was being able to actively amplify the system (no passive crossovers) with a proper DAC handling room control, time alignment, etc. It takes some work to set up properly, but the results are breathtaking. I would put the sound quality, dynamic range, and imaging against anything out there at any price. 

@hilde45 

It's a nice reminder that people with limited budgets can become audiophiles, too.

100%!

As an example, I once visited a friend who was an avid vintage (mainly wood encased) radio restorer and collector, with a penchant for highly resolved audio. 

At a vintage radio sales meet, my friend picked up some duo-cone drivers (I think formerly deigned for jukebox use) and later some random cabinets.  After installing the drivers in the cabinets, he drove the speakers with vintage Fisher amps.  I don't recall the models or other ancillary equipment.  But I do recall appreciating the listening experience.  Was it at the level I had become accustomed?  No.  Nevertheless, it conveyed the music at a fairly highly resolved level and it didn’t detract from my detail oriented enjoyment and certainly it didn’t detract from my host’s enjoyment. 

Thus,  enjoying a highly resolved system is relative (as most things are).  Because reflecting on the beginnings of my audio journey, the enjoyment then, was equal to my enjoyment now with my considerably more costly kit.  While better may be better, it isn’t needed, but it’s nice to have.  But then again, we could say that about any luxury that is above the necessities to subsist, be safe and survive.     

Hence, as you stated: “those with limited budgets can become audiophiles too”.  And as is often done, it's invalid to equate dollar values, or equipment manufacturer names with the outcome, or audiophile enjoyment.  Hence, my conclusion that I could be very happy with a much more modest 2-channel system than what I presently have.

But knowing that X-system was a 6-figure one and that the Y-system was a 4-figure one, could sure could bias the listener to favoring X, if they weren't in control of their biases.    

@hilde45 

What you're describing across your Echos, your surround rooms, and your SoundLab rig is essentially a lived version of Eno's argument: different modes of attention are not a hierarchy with eyes-closed critical listening at the top — they are different relationships with music, each valid on its own terms.

The risk in audiophile culture — and I say this as someone who has spent considerable effort optimizing a dedicated room — is that we can turn the focused mode into a moral standard and subtly denigrate everything else. Your son's Klipsch system is not a lesser experience; it is a different one, and possibly freer.

However, I find concentrated attention and focus necessities for what I as an audiophile love to do.  

As we’re discussing, the enjoyment of music isn’t limited to, or even equated to concentration levels. 

But the appreciation of what an audio playback system is doing, can’t be made without dedicated concentration.  It is I believe, what we audiophiles do, compared to those who don’t, because they don’t get the point or feel the need.  We often wonder why that is, but we also understand that it just is. 

We sit in the sweet spot, focused on how our electronics are presenting the music, yet those who don't, may be equally passionate about music and enjoy it every bit as much as we do.  And that brings up the question of why we do what we do, when others don't understand or feel the need? 

 

My point is subtler. When I’m actually listening, the supposed opposition between attending to acoustic properties and attending to music is false. I cannot attend carefully to musical meaning without attending — maybe not focally, but to some degree — to the acoustic phenomena that constitute it. 

When I listen, sometimes the music is the focus and sometimes it’s the sound, but both are always there. The ability to control what is focal is an achievement of listening practice. The inability to control that is a kind of dysfunction that I often see audiophiles complain about.

these two articles describe well why you are right.music and sound are born from the physical vibrating sound source (voice or instrument or birds songs etc)  and music and sound are felt in the body in a simillar way across cultures. Music/ sound gave us immediate access to the hidden qualities of the vibrating sound source , be it a fruit tap revealing that the fruit is ripe or not or the voice of another human beings or animals.

 

Bodily maps of musical sensations across cultures:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2308859121

Timbral effects on consonance disentangle psychoacoustic mechanisms and suggest perceptual origins for musical scales

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-45812-z

 

 

Because the tone and tuning of musical instruments has the power to manipulate our appreciation of harmony, new research shows,Pythagoras was wrong: There are no universal musical harmonies, study finds;

https://phys.org/news/2024-02-pythagoras-wrong-universal-musical-harmonies.html

 

 

Hearing for the first time Class A amplification on a humble Sugden A21SE integrated amp. That started me on a no-turning-back journey with Class A. Now with Pass Labs.