I can’t figure out how to post a pic of the Gato DIA 400S, but it is a handsome devil to boot. If anyone is curious, here’s the link
Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?
Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?
I'm currently trialing the NAD M23 (1st gen. Eigentakt-based), and I find it intriguing enough to want to understand it better — which means understanding the broader sonic landscape of class D. So I'm crowd-sourcing.
In a recent exchange, the estimable Ralph Karsten (Atma-Sphere Music Systems) made two comments that stopped me cold. For those who missed it, here's what he said:
"IME, class D amps vary in sound more than tube amps, which is to say, quite a lot."
"IMO there is a bigger difference between various class D amps than you hear between various tube amps. IOW just because you heard one class D amp says nothing about how the next one might sound."
Link: https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2885828
As I think through this more carefully, these are genuinely important claims. My own experience with tube amps confirms that they produce audibly distinct characters across topologies and designs. If Ralph is right and class D exceeds that range, then generalizing from one class D experience to another is even more hazardous than I assumed.
One specific question for Audiogon members:
If you have a Class D amp or have compared class D amplifiers, how would you describe their character(s)?
Here are some criteria I use:
- Frequency balance — Is the tonal response even across bass, mids, and treble, or does it favor certain regions?
- High-frequency texture — Are the highs extended and smooth, or edgy, grainy, and fatiguing?
- Bass definition — Is the low end tight and articulate, or loose and bloated?
- Midrange character — Does the midrange feel present and natural, or recessed and thin?
- Transient speed — Does the amp respond quickly to dynamic attacks, or does it sound sluggish and rounded?
- Dynamic range — Does it scale convincingly from quiet passages to loud ones, or compress the difference?
- Soundstage width and depth — Does it create a convincing three-dimensional image, or sound flat and narrow?
- Image specificity — Are instruments and voices placed precisely, or do they blur and wander?
- Background noise floor — Is the silence between notes actually silent, or is there grain, haze, or hash?
- Long-term listenability — After an extended session, do you want to keep listening, or has something been quietly fatiguing you?
If you can include relevant system context — room, speakers, preamp — please do. Those variables will help me interpret what the amp itself is contributing.
I'm less interested in rankings than in understanding what Ralph mentioned, namely the [vast] range of sonic signatures class D is capable of. Eigentakt, Hypex, Pascal, Purifi, GaN-based, etc. — all fair game.
Price is no constraint here — I'm interested in the full range of what's out there.
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@kirkwallace Thanks so much. Glad you’re enjoying it. An important fact about my speakers are they’re 97 db and are above 8 ohms mostly. They roll off at 60 hz. A super easy load. This is why Class D does not have that much advantage over other amps. Class D has wonderful power but my speakers are very easy loads. They can be driven with a handful of watts with alacrity. The speakers you mentioned benefit mightily from class D. The DALI Menuet SE But either way, these speakers can show off the benefits of a Class D amp’s power and invariance. I happen to have speakers that are easier and show the benefits of Class D less easily – and probably the reason why, overall, I still see the Class A amps I have heard as better, overall. Most people don't have my speakers. Most people can benefit from the power in Class D. And it's great that makers like Ralph and AGD and others are thinking hard about how to implement with musical ends foremost in mind. I would like to try Ralph's amps next. Just have to bite the bullet. I'd be excited to write them up after some time with them. |
Make complete sense, @hilde45 . What shocked me was that, at least in my room, with my other components, for the JA speakers, the DIA 400-S was clearly superior to my big Class AB amp. I’d love to see your write up of @atmasphere ’s Class D monoblocks. |
To @kirkwallace looking at the power amplifiers, interesting how the mono, four, six channel amplifiers from Gato Audio are all listed for the exact same price. One might normally expect the mono amps to be lower cost, but I guess not for now, all the same price at E4495 ea. I wonder if any rooms at Axpona will have them playing for people to listen to and check them out there? https://www.gato-audio.com/eu/electronics/power-amplifiers.html |
@decooney i don’t know, but I’m guessing that the 4 &6 channels are class D; so, it makes sense that they are priced in line with the DIA 400-S. The pwr-222 are AB and of course one needs 2 of them. |
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