Balanced circuitry, explained clearly and concisely by Uncle Paul:
https://www.psaudio.com/blogs/pauls-posts/true-balanced
There's a half dozen consecutive posts on the subject.
Convert XLR to TRS Headphone Cable Issue
My headphone's cable is hardwired with a male TRS termination to the headphone amp. My new headphone amp (Musical Fidelity) has a combination output jack, either TRS or 3-pin XLR will fit . I had a 3 wire (cable) 8' extension cable made that is terminated female TRS to connect with the headphone cable and XLR to plug into the amp/out fixture. So, without the extension I got great music and very good soundstaging with the TRS headphone cable, but with the extension I lost the sound staging, sounds mono. My headphone amp is "fully balanced"; however, signal input is not balanced, but is by very good RCA interconnects from my CD player, if that matters...the maker of the cable is very aware of making sure the 3 wires connecting the XLR to the TRS are properly matched, but I cannot visually confirm unless I remove his shrink wrap. I am not an electrical engineer by any means, but would appreciate thoughts and recommendations.
Balanced circuitry, explained clearly and concisely by Uncle Paul: https://www.psaudio.com/blogs/pauls-posts/true-balanced There's a half dozen consecutive posts on the subject.
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That is most remarkable! You have a very special way of assessing how balanced lines work and how effective that can be. Good for you! That you have convinced "several manufacturers" of your views is especially impressive. I’ve long considered Bill Whitlock to be a particular authority on this topic. As an expert, I’m sure you’ve seen his AES paper "Balanced Lines In Audio Systems: Fact, Fiction, and Transformers," which is free to AES members here. It’s peer reviewed and as an AES member I’m sure they’d welcome your comments. If you’ve let your AES membership lapse, you might be able to find a copy of the paper at academia.edu. (You may need to sign up for an account.) Another excellent treatment by Whitlock is "Design of High-Performance Balanced Audio Interfaces." Also peer reviewed, published by AES and open for comments. A free copy is here, at least for the moment. Given your insistence that balanced audio is:
... I’m sure the professionals would welcome your thoughts. Perhaps they will be more accommodating than me. For those who might miss your AES comments, please also report back here. Have a Great Day @052rc. |
Please do as @cleeds says. I think your second level of confusion is caused by marketing. There is a world of difference between the claims of balanced and claims of fully balanced. Balanced inputs and outputs can be achieved by adding extra components to accept or generate an additional inverted signal at the input and output stages of a component. Fully balanced means that the entire signal path through the component is duplicated. This pretty obviously increases both the cost and the ability to reject EMI. An example, which mixes both balanced and fully balanced in one component, is my SoulNote phono stage. This supports Moving Magnet (MM), Moving Coil (MC) and DS Audio optical cartridges. MM signal levels are typically more than 10 times higher than MC, and DS Audio optical are more than 10 times higher again than MM. Most cartridges and tonearms inherently support 4-wire balanced operation, and the MC section of the stage is fully balanced (with a pair of 3-pin XLR connections for input). DS Audio optical cartridges need a DC power supply, so two of the wires are used for that, meaning there are insufficient signal wires for balanced operation. The MM input uses the same balanced connectors as the MC input, but SoulNote has decided that the extra cost of fully balancing the MM input is not worthwhile. RCA inputs are provided, but they just hook to two of the three XLR input pins, so they cannot be used simultaneously. Output of course is balanced via two 3-pin XLR connections.
I am positive there is absolutely nothing wrong with your amp, but it seems the dealer has little idea of how it should be connected to realise its sonic benefits of fully balanced operation. Maybe this is why it was heavily discounted Ultimately, Musical Fidelity will have to educate the dealer. As I posted earlier, you need to connect your headphone to both XLR outputs, one for the left channel and one for the right. If you post your headphone make and model, we can probably work out exactly how the headphone wiring can be modified. |
So, you're suggesting this manufacturer made a retail product that requires the consumer to modify their headphone cables to function properly with 3-pin XLR terminations? I doubt it. And remember, it works fine with a single TRS termination, but not with an adapter, TRS to 3-pin XLR. The ONLY reason I'm having this problem is that I needed a 6-8 ft extension cable and the cable manufacturer suggested the XLR termination. If I had a TRS termination on both ends, this thread would not exist. |