Which Cartrudge For My Upcoming Technics 1200 GR 2 Turnable - Looking at Ortofon 2m Black


Note: Sorry about the misspelled Cartridge in title. Wish I could update that. 

 

I have a  Luxman 595 Class A amplifier with Focal N1 speakers. Depending on the recording, it can be on the bright side.  I own about 20 records. 80% of them are electronic mixes from the 90s. The rest are dinosaur jr, mazzy star, and so on. 

I have found memories of playing my grandfathers fisher turntable (with Mitsubushi stereo system) which looked similar to the Technics 1200GR2, so that is the turntable I am going to get. I also have found memories of going to the record store in the 90s (sound warehouse) and they had a Bose 901 VI system (I think... they were very large hung from the cieling) with a turtable that sounded so good. 

The sound I am looking for is *not a audiophile high resolving sound. Instead, I am looking for a energetic sound with power. I do want good audio quality though. 

What I am looking at is the Ortofon 2m Black LVB 250 or the 2m black. I never hear them in person. What is everyones thoughts?

dman777

@audphile1 

I have 3 reasons why I would not pick the Hana MH

1. $1,200. that's a lot of money

2. for that cost, you only get aluminum cantilever

3. High Output in this case is a pretty low 2mv.

OP's Luxman Amp has 30wpc @ 8 ohms, and the speakers are small bookshelf type, 8 ohm nominal, sensitivity 89, I would prefer to start with a stronger output signal.

 

Specifications  MH

Stylus: Nude MicroLine tip
Cantilever: Aluminum
Magnet: Alnico
Magnetic Circuitry: Pure iron/cryo treatment
Coil Wire: High Purity copper
Cartridge Housing: POM (Delrin)/brass
Output Level: 2 mV/1 kHz
Output Balance: <1 dB/1 kHz
Vertical Tracking Force: 2 g
Frequency Response: 12-45,000 Hz
Impedance: 130 Ω/1 kHz
Suggested Impedance: 47 KΩ
Weight: 9.5 g

@elliottbnewcombjr 595 input sensitivity is 2.5mv/47kohm for MM input. Do you think that the Hana MH 2v signal is too low?

I’ve only used the ML version with an appropriate phono stage and it’s a ridiculously good cartridge despite the aluminum cantilever. Sound profile wise it fits what the OP is looking for perfectly. 

A stronger Sound with SL 1200 GR? Best Choice: Denon DL 103 (MC), a lot of punch and Dynamics. Only 300 Euro, I use two of it. One on SL 1200 GR, the other on Denon DP 3000 NE. In both cases great sound, not only with electronic tracks.

@audphile1 

Yes, IMO 2.0mv (not 2 v) is too low for OP’s wife’s system. In my 1st post here, I wrote:

"AT745xML is only $329". ... "The signal strength is lower: 3.7mv. That is average, normal for MM, however IF you want more volume, from a weaker amount of gain, 5.0mv is the better choice." (Ortofon 2m Black LVB 250)

Less gain can be the amount of gain within the phono stage, (i.e. resulting in a lower/higher line level signal strength that leaves the preamp section) AND eventually, the amount of power/watts sent to the speakers. IF I had 30 wpc I would PREFER a stronger signal from the cartridge. Always keeping in mind, some amps make less noise and/or distortion when the attenuator is not near or at full volume.

We listen mostly at less than 5 watts/channel (watch a big McIntosh Meter) (so 30 wpc is a lot) but instantaneous peaks need a lot of instantaneous power. You have to change the McIntosh meter’s scale to get the needle to move at typical listening levels.

The Luxman 595’s published specifications, gain, s/n, ...: phono gain specs: are based on a signal no lower than 2.5mv. 

3.7 mv is plenty for an input with 2.5mv sensitivity. 2.0mv is not, and I personally don’t consider it HO (yes, it is HO compared to 0.4mv of Hana ML). 2.0mv is below OP’s amp’s published input sensitivity of 2.5 mv. too low for that unit’s performance specifications, but I was thinking too low compared to other cartridges with stronger signal strength, which is why I mentioned the difference. 

IF they are playing with the volume knob low now, I would risk 3.7mv but I would not risk 2.0mv

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A cartridge output signal strength directly effects resulting volume (i.e. your volume knob will need to be adjusted more or less for each cartridge).

my experience is: when I change/compare cartridges, mine and my friends: without changing my system’s volume, the volume changes for each cartridge. The change in volume is due directly to the cartridge’s signal strength.

When I change the impedance settings for LOMC cartridges, (my SUT has 4 optional windings) (various X Factors) the volume changes with each winding as the resulting signal output increases or decreases.

I typically select something like the Eurythmics, which everyone has heard on my system. It has a variety of sounds (like them or not, they are revealing) and you have to get Annie Lennox’s voice ’right’. Then off to a friend’s selected and very familiar content.

I drop two arms/cartridges, one slightly behind the other, so when I switch my SUT’s input, it will play what we just heard seconds ago. I move my selector from phono to a silent input, no sound when I change to a different cartridge, then back to phono.

1st, we make temporary pencil marks around the big volume knob of my Cayin Integrated Amp, to get the resulting volumes close so our comparisons are not effected by volume changes. When I change the input to one of my 3 arms, I also move the volume to the pencil mark. Takes only several seconds.

 

 

 

AT microline does minimize surface noise, which was almost painful with an elliptical Ortofon.  I give a +1 for the AT, especially for the price.