Burn in and peer reviewed brain research


Not to broach a religious topic, but I know burn in discussions happen all the time in audio circles. Until today, I had not found any scientific research from the brain side.

This article was interesting:  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10898501/

It is a 2024 review in Cureus (Kalchev, PMC10898501) that surveyed the physiological, psychological, and social dimensions of audio burn-in. It found no substantial evidence for mechanical changes producing audible differences, and instead identified several well-documented mechanisms — ear fatigue, confirmation bias, placebo effects, and neural acclimatization — that adequately explain perceived changes without requiring the equipment to have changed at all. 

Has anyone found other literature of this type – physiological, psychoacoustic, rather than engineering/mechanical? I'd be curious to learn about it.

Of course, anyone who wants to put their hand on a bible and swear that burn in is real based on personal experience is welcome to do so, but I'm hoping to find things beyond the anecdotal.

hilde45

@devinplombier  Glad you're enjoying the thread. The faith/reason framing is rhetorically satisfying but imprecise — this is really a dispute about burden of proof and what counts as sufficient evidence. Both sides think they're being reasonable.

That said, your component taxonomy is the most useful contribution in this thread. Mechanical break-in for speakers and tubes is physically coherent; thermal stabilization for SS gear is real but trivial; cable and power cord burn-in is where the physical rationale collapses and the faith diagnosis actually bites. Lumping all of these together under "burn-in" is what generates most of the confusion here.

One note on Kalchev: his review is aimed precisely at the cases you're most skeptical about — cables, power cords — where listener psychology does the most unacknowledged work. Speaker break-in is a different phenomenon and probably deserves its own conversation.

Finally, on "no one will be converted": that may be true of ideological debates, but it wasn't the spirit of the original post. I introduced the Kalchev study not as proof of anything but as one piece of scientific literature on the subject, and explicitly invited others to contribute any research they were aware of. The goal was to see what some literature actually says, not to win anyone over. If the thread produced more light than heat, that's enough.

It’s more of a compendium of previous studies than it is a study itself. It’s a narrative of existing literature that represents one side of the discussion only. The author doesn’t pretend to explore whether there are actual physical factors (mechanical changes) in a component that could cause burn-in. 

Either tendentious or simply uninformed. Your "narrative review vs. study" distinction doesn't hold up. A narrative review is a recognized study type — it has a defined research question, a method for selecting and synthesizing literature, peer review, and an original epistemic contribution: the synthesis produces conclusions about the state of evidence that no individual primary study contains. By your logic, meta-analyses wouldn't count as studies either, which is an absurd result given that they sit near the top of the evidence hierarchy in medicine.

Kalchev announces exactly what he's doing in the title — a comprehensive exploration across physiological, psychological, and societal domains. He doesn't hide the physical question; he brackets it as outside his remit. Your own phrasing — "he doesn't *pretend* to explore physical factors" — is actually a point in his favor. Honest demarcation of scope is methodological integrity, not a deficiency.

Because the study brackets the physical question, it shouldn't be cited as though it settles it. But that's a claim about what the study establishes, not about whether it qualifies as a study. I'm done replying about this. I now judge it as trolling.

 

chest-beating ... dishonest ... tendentious or simply uninformed ... I now judge it as trolling.

It's interesting that you introduce a scientific paper, but become so emotionally attached to it that your objectivity evaporates and what remains are ad hominem attacks, the laziest of all logical errors.

Emotions don't really have a place in science. 

@cleeds You introduced the ad hominems. You decided not to engage the substance of the post and attack its form. Descriptions of your posts are not ad hominems, they're descriptions of what you're writing. Anyone who cares can look back and see that and I’ve justified my position. We're done.

You decided not to engage the substance of the post and attack its form.

Noting limitations inherent in a study are part of the scientific process. For some reason, you are emotionally invested in this study. Sometimes, things aren’t as easy as they look, and that can include science.

There’s nothing at all personal about this, @hilde4. I'm not here to hurt your feelings.

Another amalgam that merits unpacking is that of price / cost / value on the one hand, and sonic improvements on the other. 

The accepted dogma goes like this:

- It is known that the more expensive a component is, the better it will sound in your system; and that is how it should be, for you get what you pay for.

And the response goes something like this:

- People who spend significant dollar amounts on components whose ability to affect sound quality is controversial and fails basic scientific scrutiny are fools.

But in reality, the two are not linked in any logical way, and both are false. If a person wishes to spend $2000 on an Ethernet switch because it is beautifully carved of solid aluminum ingot and looks gorgeous on the component rack, that’s perfectly fine; it ought to be okay with everyone; and criticism and mockery are inappropriate and unwarranted - that is, until the owner of the switch starts attributing stunning sonic improvements to their switch (which, naturally, will get even more pronounced after 200 hours of burn-in).

And that goes back to the earlier behavioral psychology-based argument. Depending on why we do things, expectations and stakes can change drastically. 

- If I buy an expensive Ethernet switch because it is reputed to improve the sound quality of my system, and I hear no difference because Ethernet switches are physically incapable of affecting sound quality, then that makes me the guy who essentially just threw good money out the window, and I’m not that guy, no way no how, therefore that switch ought to sound amazing because I spent all that money! That’s a tough spot, because now I have to make up value to justify the price tag, as opposed to the other way around.

- But if I buy the same switch because I find it beautiful and I feel that it will complement my meticulously curated system, I’m only interested in its symbolic value - which is entirely mine to determine - and if a naysayer manifests, I only need invoke my prerogative to spend my money as I wish, and that’s an easy argument to win.

Not every object has to do something in order to hold value, and it’s silly and counterproductive to pretend otherwise. Look at jewelry; we’ve been buying jewelry for tens of thousands of years. What’s wrong with audio jewelry?