Burn in and peer reviewed brain research


Not to broach a religious topic, but I know burn in discussions happen all the time in audio circles. Until today, I had not found any scientific research from the brain side.

This article was interesting:  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10898501/

It is a 2024 review in Cureus (Kalchev, PMC10898501) that surveyed the physiological, psychological, and social dimensions of audio burn-in. It found no substantial evidence for mechanical changes producing audible differences, and instead identified several well-documented mechanisms — ear fatigue, confirmation bias, placebo effects, and neural acclimatization — that adequately explain perceived changes without requiring the equipment to have changed at all. 

Has anyone found other literature of this type – physiological, psychoacoustic, rather than engineering/mechanical? I'd be curious to learn about it.

Of course, anyone who wants to put their hand on a bible and swear that burn in is real based on personal experience is welcome to do so, but I'm hoping to find things beyond the anecdotal.

hilde45

@hilde45 

This is the age-old disconnect between faith and reason. Does burning a streamer's power cord for 200 hours contribute a meaningful improvement to the sound quality of the whole system? Did Methuselah really live 969 years? It depends not on what we (think we) know but on what we believe.

Thank you for bringing up this topic. This is a good thread. But at the end of the day, folks who hold moderate views on these matters may take notes and keep score but it's highly unlikely anyone else will be converted, nor even swayed one bit.

On the specific subject of speakers - they are mechanical assemblies whose characteristics and tolerances change with use, so it makes perfect sense that their end sound will evolve, and not just over some arbitrary 100- or 200-hr period but over their lifetime. Then again, speakers, and headphones, don't "burn" in, they break in. Ditto for tubes and gear that employ them; like speakers, it makes sense to withhold judgement until they have been properly broken in.

The case for other components is less clear-cut. You would want your SS amps and preamp to reach a point of thermal equilibrium before expecting optimal performance from them, of course, but that's not burn-in per se. Then, the further away one gets from major, complex components, the flimsier the case for burn-in making a sonic difference becomes, and the more the rationale of the argument shifts from reason to faith.

 

@devinplombier  Glad you're enjoying the thread. The faith/reason framing is rhetorically satisfying but imprecise — this is really a dispute about burden of proof and what counts as sufficient evidence. Both sides think they're being reasonable.

That said, your component taxonomy is the most useful contribution in this thread. Mechanical break-in for speakers and tubes is physically coherent; thermal stabilization for SS gear is real but trivial; cable and power cord burn-in is where the physical rationale collapses and the faith diagnosis actually bites. Lumping all of these together under "burn-in" is what generates most of the confusion here.

One note on Kalchev: his review is aimed precisely at the cases you're most skeptical about — cables, power cords — where listener psychology does the most unacknowledged work. Speaker break-in is a different phenomenon and probably deserves its own conversation.

Finally, on "no one will be converted": that may be true of ideological debates, but it wasn't the spirit of the original post. I introduced the Kalchev study not as proof of anything but as one piece of scientific literature on the subject, and explicitly invited others to contribute any research they were aware of. The goal was to see what some literature actually says, not to win anyone over. If the thread produced more light than heat, that's enough.

It’s more of a compendium of previous studies than it is a study itself. It’s a narrative of existing literature that represents one side of the discussion only. The author doesn’t pretend to explore whether there are actual physical factors (mechanical changes) in a component that could cause burn-in. 

Either tendentious or simply uninformed. Your "narrative review vs. study" distinction doesn't hold up. A narrative review is a recognized study type — it has a defined research question, a method for selecting and synthesizing literature, peer review, and an original epistemic contribution: the synthesis produces conclusions about the state of evidence that no individual primary study contains. By your logic, meta-analyses wouldn't count as studies either, which is an absurd result given that they sit near the top of the evidence hierarchy in medicine.

Kalchev announces exactly what he's doing in the title — a comprehensive exploration across physiological, psychological, and societal domains. He doesn't hide the physical question; he brackets it as outside his remit. Your own phrasing — "he doesn't *pretend* to explore physical factors" — is actually a point in his favor. Honest demarcation of scope is methodological integrity, not a deficiency.

Because the study brackets the physical question, it shouldn't be cited as though it settles it. But that's a claim about what the study establishes, not about whether it qualifies as a study. I'm done replying about this. I now judge it as trolling.

 

chest-beating ... dishonest ... tendentious or simply uninformed ... I now judge it as trolling.

It's interesting that you introduce a scientific paper, but become so emotionally attached to it that your objectivity evaporates and what remains are ad hominem attacks, the laziest of all logical errors.

Emotions don't really have a place in science. 

@cleeds You introduced the ad hominems. You decided not to engage the substance of the post and attack its form. Descriptions of your posts are not ad hominems, they're descriptions of what you're writing. Anyone who cares can look back and see that and I’ve justified my position. We're done.

You decided not to engage the substance of the post and attack its form.

Noting limitations inherent in a study are part of the scientific process. For some reason, you are emotionally invested in this study. Sometimes, things aren’t as easy as they look, and that can include science.

There’s nothing at all personal about this, @hilde4. I'm not here to hurt your feelings.