DDC Sound Improvements???


I'm trying to put off buying a new streaming transport.  Of the Hifi Rose RS130, Innuos Stream 3, and Matrix NT-1; the NT-1 was clearly the winner to my ears with a greater sense of clarity/transparency, sound stage width and depth, and neutrality that it presented.

I currently have a moded BS Node with LPS that has been hard to beat thus far.  Will the new Gustard U26 DDC truly improve sound quality with the blacker backgrounds and sound stage dimensions.  The DDC would also allow me to use i2S.

$1,000 for a DDC vs $4,000 for a transport is pretty tempting.  In my head this additional filtering in the DDC would give me the sonic improvements of a great streaming transport.

What are your thoughts and experience?  

stillbuyingtoys

Couple observations:

1) Why would you reclock using DDC when your DAC restocks?  Purpose of reclocking is to remove jitter.  I’m guessing your signal out of the X30 is already jitter-free.

2) Why would you consider the Mattix NT-1 when all you need is a streamer?  It has an onboard server as well, which unnecessarily adds noise.  For half the price, you could get the Mattix TT-1, which is just a streamer.

3) I assume you’ve compared the X30’s internal streamer to your Node and that the Node is superior?

More broadly, the thing to keep in mind is that streamers don’t have tonal characteristics, and anyone’s individual experience is likely to be different based upon their setup.  The reason that different streamers seem to exhibit slight tonal or sonic differences, apart from digital processing differences like up/oversampling, dsp, etc., is primarily due to electrical engineering factors like jitter, power supply noise, and electrical isolation (galvanic isolation) impacting the DAC's performance.

So while they pass the same digital bits, the quality of the transport (handling of timing/noise) differs as follows:

  • Jitter (Timing Errors): High-precision clocks reduce jitter, which can affect the DAC's analog output, resulting in different perceived soundstaging or, rarely, tonal qualities.
  • Electrical Noise & Isolation: Poorly designed streamers can introduce electrical noise (EMI/RFI) into the DAC via USB or SPDIF, affecting the analog stage.
  • Power Supply: Better, cleaner power supplies (linear vs. switching) reduce noise floor, allowing for a cleaner signal, often perceived as a "blacker" background or more detail.
  • The DAC's Sensitivity: If the DAC is well-designed with good jitter rejection and isolation, these differences can become nearly inaudible. 

In sum, the interaction of these factors influence the extent to which one can hear fully the characteristics of one’s DAC.  But you do not have to spend more than $2k on a streamer to get state of the art performance - i.e., vanishingly low noise levels.  

But you do not have to spend more than $2k on a streamer to get state of the art performance - i.e., vanishingly low noise levels.

🙄  ASR would be proud.  Anyone else here buy this?!?

what i found was the lps upgrade materially helps the s-q by reducing noise and providing the unit a purer power feed...

Same experience here. As previously reported, for this particular unit (Nano), which on paper requires only 5V/2A, I need to provide it with a 5V/3A adapter—either the LHY LPS25VA (5V/3A) or the iFi iPower X (5V/3A)—in order for it to sound right. The Nano with the LHY LPS15VA (5V/2.5A) or the iFi iPower X (5V/2.5A) sounds mushy in the bass. The power supply needs to provide some current headroom beyond the Nano’s minimum requirement. You mentioned that some LPS specifications are underrated, and I believe that.

Just find out, from Teddy's website, their LPS for Nano is also rated 5A/3V.

I also tried the iFi iPower X on the Rivo+, and it works, but I sense the bass is a bit soft and less controlled. However, the Rivo+ functions well with the LHY LPS25VA. Since the factory power supply (Lineo 5) for the Rivo+ is rated at 5V/5A, I am curious whether the LHY LPS50VA (5V/6.5A) would perform even better. I purchased the LPS25VA from the same company that sells the Rivo+. At that time, there was only one option, but now they offer the LPS50VA as an additional choice.

So, I think the more headroom the LPS provides to the streamer, the better the sound quality, with quieter background, fuller midrange and weightier more controlled low-ends.  I did not give the higher-priced, higher-power LPS due consideration because of my lack of experience with it as described above—and, of course, in an effort to save money.  A good lesson I learned from my own mistake.

 

But you do not have to spend more than $2k on a streamer to get state of the art performance - i.e., vanishingly low noise levels.

ASR would be proud.  Anyone else here buy this?!?

Well I can buy into the statement, and I think @mdalton makes some very good points. Maybe $2k isn't the right number, but if you have a good understanding on how circuits, especially digital in this case, and power supplies are designed (the fact that some streamers can benefit from a power supply upgrade is a good reference) you may be able to better understand how some "budget" products can perform as well as or even out perform products at a much higher price point. I for one would never buy a streamer that cost more than say $3k (I am looking now to replace my Auralic Aries G1 and Volumio Rivo + looks like a nice option). I might have to do some extra research, but I am confident I would be able to get what I want under that price point and have it meet my expectations. 

How the product is deigned will speak more to how it will perform than its price tag will. Unfortunately many audiophiles get sucked into selecting a product based on the latter rather than the former. Granted there are certainly sub-$2k streamers that aren't worth their salt, but there are some out there that are. One just has to be educated enough to know how to find them.

@clio09 

The Rivo+, at $1500 (or $2000 if you add in the LPS option), is exactly what I had in mind.  And here’s a link to a more in depth discussion of this issue:

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