@hilde45 you make good points but I do think that good sound is inherently subjective and I think your comments capture that when you talk about listener “preferences”. That’s what I mean by subjective.
you and I could listen to the same system in the same room, alternating turns in the listening chair. I might think the sound was the best thing since seven up while you may not like it at all. To me, that’s the definition of subjective. Take a speaker brand like magico. most would agree these are very well designed well built speakers that have a distinctive house sound. Obviously, lots of consumers find that sound to be detailed, transparent and very enjoyable. Some, however, find it to be bright and fatiguing. To me, it’s a matter of subjective preference. And while we do continue to have these discussions, I think the inability to accept that a lot of this is simply a matter of subjective preference is why the discussions go sideways so often. Some people have a hard time accepting that what they like is not necessarily the definitive, objective and universal truth. It’s just what they like. Others may like something else. Maybe we just define the word subjective a little differently.
Why we (often) upgrade the wrong things (first) and ignore the important things
I continue to be impressed by this person. See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jWM0NzE_us&t=50s
He argues for applying a bottleneck principle to audio upgrades: system performance is always capped by its dominant constraint, so upgrading any non-limiting component produces only incremental refinement, not genuine improvement.
The hierarchy of constraints, roughly in descending magnitude, runs: room acoustics and speaker placement (capable of 10–20 dB swings), amplifier headroom and load stability, gain structure alignment, DAC output characteristics, and finally cables. Most audiophile upgrade behavior inverts this hierarchy — people swap DACs and cables because they’re easy, not because they’re limiting.
The gist is a distinction between **audible change** and **ceiling removal**. Any swap can produce a detectable difference; only removing the dominant constraint raises the system’s maximum capability.
He gives a way to test it. When we remove a constraint, that feels unmistakable and immediate — dynamics expand, you stop gear-monitoring and just listen — whereas novelty-driven changes require effortful attention to detect and fade in significance.
Room treatment and gain-structure analysis are effortful; cable swaps are not. Making this worse are the ways we mis-focus on novelty, which amplifies perceived differences. We think we’ve made a structural improvement but we have not, actually.
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