Replacing Roon - What Should I get?


I'm tired of Roon having brain farts.  I have an original Roon Nucleus and have updated and augmented the Memory.  This helped for a bit.  But now, I keep having to reboot the darn thing.

It's not my network.  I have checked it out and everything in the house works fine.

Here is the setup.  A direct fiber optic link goes to the Router.  Then ethernet to Roon from the Router.  This way I get Roon to talk with the setup upstairs.  I have an 35 foot ethernet cable that runs through the walls directly from the router into my dCS Lina.

I want to replace the Roon.  I am thinking about an Innuos Stream.  Just need a streamer that can hold Roon/Tidal.  Don't need a DAC as the dCS does that quite well.  I have a SSD in the Nucleus that holds a ton of my music that I want to move over.

Thoughts on what to replace the Roon with?  Innuos (Stream) always get bandied about.  I hear about Arender as well. I don't want to get an updated Roon.

I also wonder about deleting and reinstalling the Roon App on my iPads.

Thanks in Advance

pgaulke60

Like another posted Roon runs flawlessly for me.  SomicTransporter I5, ultraRendu, Venus II-12th DAC.

@pgaulke60 - Sure. Send an email to [email protected]. I'll reply back with more details so that we can find a time to have a call.

I canceled my Roon subscription twice in the past. Came back after trying it and hearing an improvement in sound quality. Now it’s back to subpar sound and UI is now full of bugs. I have 3 months to make a decision before my subscription runs out. 
@campoly I am still learning Jplay features and trying different settings. It’s not as flexible as Roon from UX standpoint but if it sounds better I can live with minor compromises in UI. 

I was an early Roon lifetime subscription adopter. My servers have been the Antipodes DX, Mojo Audio DejaVu, and currently a sonicTransporter i9 Gen 4. The i9 works flawlessly in running Roon Core and I use a couple of different endpoints and rarely have a playback glitch.  Could it be the age of your Nucleus?  The SGC i9 is not that expensive in the audiophile world so may be worth a try.

The Roon forum is full of similar reports of instability, many from me.  Of course they attract the "Roon runs flawlessly for me" posts as well. The equivalent of "I can eat onions so why do they bother your stomach?"

One thing that those with "flawless Roon" seem not to address is that there are variables beyond local hardware and network to consider.  The nature of one's library has a lot to say about how Roon acts and when it sucks up all the system resources and grinds itself to instability.  And I firmly believe that local Roon relies very heavily on the Roon network and that various forms of instability and slowness originate from the SAAS part, or at least it's an interaction with local. 

The real problem with Roon is that there isn't really anything else like it.  Once you've configured your gear for it, it's hard to turn back.  

I've been able to mitigate my issues with Roon significantly by using a very powerful machine as a Roon core, in an area where fan noise doesn't matter, running Ubuntu server without anything else on it, with all locally stored files on a drive right in the machine, with at least 32GB of RAM.  Then use very clean and quiet endpoints via wired network. 

Roon still does goofy stuff, including going silent at the end of every few songs while reflecting that it is still playing, playing the same artist every other song in Radio, and occasionally being very slow. But at least with Ubuntu you can see system resource usage and restart or reboot when necessary.

With some of the more common issues, it looks like Roon may be admitting they are a hard fix and is providing some tools to mitigate these problems as well. For example, it looks like they are testing a version that allows metadata updates to be scheduled for off hours. Now, if Roon would just allow a restart from any remote! 

For the work it would take to migrate a heavily manicured library to a different solution, and the fact it wouldn't be as good, I would recommend trying to mitigate Roon's faults with substantially updated hardware.  Also clean your library of unidentified albums if you can.