Tube Question - Significance of Tube Noise at Listening Position

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The 1st preamp tube slot right AFTER the volume control (gain/input) can be significantly tricky. This is because it’s magnified by the combined full gain of preamp plus power amp, with no interceding attenuation (unless you add attenuators). This slot is actually tougher than some/most phono stage tubes.

In our Rogue Audio FB group, there was just a guy who had a noise problem with Gold Lion 12AU7 in his Cronus (same slot). Same symptom: fine at first, then noise. Maybe they’ve had a bad run lately? Russian tubes are generally quite good, but there have been some "known" bad runs in the past until they got their act together again (e.g. EH KT88 in the 2000s, which prompted Rogue to switch to KT90 then).

It happens. I’m of the camp that if tube noise is minimal at seating position, it’s fine. I tolerate noise more than most (vinyl is my primary source). But it’s also concerning to have a relatively new tube degrade so fast - that would prompt me to replace it.

FWIW most of my small-tube gremlins have been with vintage 6922/7308 and 6SN7. By comparison, 12AU7 (and 5814) have been relatively easy going. I like GE triple mica gray plate 5814 - warm and pleasant.

I love the word "life" when discussing tubes because they are just as variable as "life" in the metaphysical sense can be. That is what is so alluring about tubes.

may be an obvious point, but the circuit design of tube components majorly affects tube ’life’ in use

examples

c-j’s et5 linestage, as lovely as it sounds, runs a single 6dj8 type tube full out, at (or actually slightly above) the tubes max recommended 6.3v plate voltage -- so standard 6dj8/ecc88 get tired and noisy after about only 6 mos of daily use even when you start with a true nos tube.... so over time they started suggesting 7dj8 / pcc88 tubes in that spot instead as customers were getting frustrated

audible illusions pre’s also were famous for running their 12ax7 tubes into the ground fast by running them so hot 

kevin hayes (vac) is another designer who infamously runs tubes aggressively in his gear, at the detriment of life span, for the sake of superior sonics he desires

otoh arc linestages like the ref3 ref5 and so on use more robust tubes, run them at quite conservative operating points, and those tubes last much much longer in daily use

so as usual, things are never equal, and one’s experience with tube life is highly case specific 

   Funny you should ask as I swapped out my 12AU7’s two days ago in my line stage pre. It got to the point I was hearing an intermittent hiss at my listening position. I switched the mute on and off over the last few months and it would stop but began to return more frequently and is now constant. The offending tube is of a matched pair of Tekefunken G-73 R’s that I absolutely love. I replaced them with a pair of standard nos Telefunken’s and problem solved. Except they don’t SOUND as good as the noisy pair, sound familiar? My solution is that I have about a dozen pairs of various sets of nos 12AU7’s to play with. Fortunately for me I acquired them about 10 years ago before dynamic pricing was involved. NOS tube rolling can become addictive so be carful. A couple of random thoughts are that I run high efficiency speakers and tube noise is more apparent. I prefer nos tubes over new production tubes but they are expensive and  although called NEW have usually seen a few owners so no telling until they’re tested and tried. Also I don’t agree that new gear is voiced to a specific 12AU7 if it ships with JJ’s. They are inexpensive, available, inexpensive, reliable , inexpensive, dependable, and inexpensive. 😆 Occasionally someone actually likes them , unfortunately that wasn’t my experience. However I did find the new production Tung Sol 5751 gold pin very nice , but unfortunately it’s a low mu 12AX7. Try a few pairs of different tubes and see what you like. The three directions for nos are Tekefunken, Mullard , and RCA. That’s a generalization but fairly accurate. FWIT if you go to the Brent Jesse site and read the sound description page for 12AU7’s it’s very accurate. Happy Hunting and I’ll look for you at the Tube Addicts Anonymous meeting. Cheers , Mike B.