What innovative, unconventional cartridge designs can you recommend?


Most cartridges have a stylus and cantilever where the transducer (magnet, iron or coil) sits on the far end of the cantilever.  What other designs are there?

I am mindful of two designs which put the business end right on top of the stylus.  The first is the moving coil (MC) Audio Technica AT-ART1000 which places two tiny coils, each 0.9-mm diameter, with eight turns of wire directly above the stylus.  Australian price is about AUD-7000 and there apparently is a newer model, slightly less exxe. the ART1000X.  This has square coils for a bit more output, and threaded mounting holes.

A downside is that stylus replacement involves a factory maintenance program and the Australian website page describing this service does not exist.

Another design is optical, exemplified by DS Audio's range.  While these still need a stylus to trace the groove, the signal is produced by reading the intensity of light produced by a Light Emitting Diode (LED) hitting two sensors.  Between the LED and the sensors are two 'shades' mounted above the stylus which change the amount of light as the stylus vibrates.  These cartridges need a special "photo-stage" to replace the conventional phono-stage which is an additional expense.

Australian prices including photo-stages range from AUD-2,150 for the DS-E1 to the DS Master 3 at approximately AUD-40,800, which is a bit outside my price range!  Where is the sweet spot?

What other way-out designs are there?

richardbrand

@audphile1 

Apparently, mine is winging its way from Japan, and will Likely Meet the Bulldozers destroying Mountains of Parcels at the POff, Next Week. mail

If Customs does not get there first.  They'll be collecting just 10% Goods and Services Tax.

Looks as if I'll have to renounce my British Citizenship if I ever want to visit there again.  No big deal, when I took my kids on a visit, they sauntered straight through on Aussie passports while I got royally interrogated by a gentleman from the sub-continent because I used my British one. angry

@pindac 

If you are worried about non-linearities and poor channel balance, have a look at the Decca moving iron cartridges others have mentioned here.

Originally designed for mono horizontal wiggles in the groove, the design was extended to cover vertical wiggles but the mechanicals are not symmetrical. leading to different compliances vertically and horizontally.  

Furthermore, the transducer design uses two coils in one direction, and one in the other.  Single-ended versus double-ended.  Lots of non-linearity there, not to mention extreme production variations.

No, give me transducers arranged symmetrically at 45-degrees left and right to fit to my rather symmetric tangential Holbo tonearm!

@lewm 

Optical attenuators are said to be unreliable or nonlinear such that channel to channel balance is tricky

Had me wondering what an optical attenuator is in this context, but I guess you mean the shading plates!  These are purely geometric, and in effect are squares mounted at right angles to the cantilever, but rotated at 45-degrees. When the cantilever moves sideways at 45-degrees, one of the plates exposes more of less of a square sensor which is also at 45-degrees.  There is one set for each channel - giving two-channel stereo and perfect symmetry.

There is an engineering challenge between making the shade plates strong for rigidity at the expense of the lightness required for tracking ability. DS Audio halved the mass of the shade plates by swapping beryllium for aluminium, and claim the effective tip mass is now about a tenth of a more conventional cartridge.

It seems that in series 3, the two shade plates have a combined outline cut from a single sheet. No doubt it is hard to position the combined shade plate accurately on the cantilever, but I believe the result can be viewed through a window in the cartridge.  Aligning the shade during manufacture should be much easier than mounting a stylus, I'd have thought!

@richardbrand The Post has stated " It is also stated, there is also a Nonlinear function to be found in the Electromagnetic Inductance Cartridge design, but this is relating to distortion being produced and the unpredictable relationship between the B field and the Flux. The Precision of a Cartridges Assembly can substantially impact on the distortion that can be detected/measured, as changes to the positioning of critical parts impacts on the B Field / Flux relationship."

No Stone Left Unturned as a layman description which was supplied for myself to have an ease with understanding it. 

I have mentioned before in other posts that Ortofon has substantially improved Coil Winding finishing over the past 20 years, to the point their Coils will be difficult to surpass for uniformity of the wind. This in conjunction with the precision placing of the FSE and Armature alignment, is strongly suggested to be their technology to have a much improved control on distortion, or address the Nonlinearity found at this interface. 

@audphile1 Thank You for producing a summary of the Post I produced, even though I disagree with the willy nilly use of the highly polluting method chosen to produce the reduced content. Are you not capable yourself to do such an exercise?

Do you use AI to alter your own produced post content in general, for whatever reason?

Does adding a 1100 Word Annexe, to the content of my Post actually improve the situation as both will be read. Anybody with an interest in a modern Optical Read Cartridge, as well as by those who place their trust in the well proven technology used for Electromagnetic Inductance Technology.   

As a wild stab, I would suggest a 100+ have already / will be the minimum to read the content. A proportion of this number using the content will at some point be  working out what this means to them for their future direction for a Phono Cartridge. 

I also am happy to read another user review of the DS Audio Cartridge, why wouldn't I. Models of a few years past are already sat in front of whilst demo'd to me, and I have read approx' 100 user reviews from forums and a little from the audio media sites. 

I am a individual with a wider view on this matter and have been toying with the Technologies for a long time. If the end result of that means that I am not equally aligned to others sharing an interest, resulting in views between parties not being reconcilable. Then that is fine for myself, I do not return to post to project ill feeling towards anybody.   

As for the FSE - Visiting a Certain Cartridge Companies Web Pages might just be enough to Find Some Evidence. 

Looks as if I’ll have to renounce my British Citizenship if I ever want to visit there again. 

@richardbrand Yep. Can’t wait for you to post your thoughts on DS003 and see the continuation of this philosophical party pooping in form of ancient chinese scrolls that are just as “prolix” as they are unreadable. May be I will print some of it out on both sides of a toilet paper roll if that would even be enough real estate to accommodate all that fine writing and the printer cartridge doesn’t run out. The only concern I have is the ink might stain my bunghole.