Why in some instances does changing streamers makes a bigger difference?


Or, I should say, sometimes a better streamer can make a positive difference. I read about this YouTube video in another thread on Agon and felt it was consequential enough to deserve a separate consideration here.

https://youtu.be/k-nCEoRWHZ4?si=EB-YW-ZlwBC_cNQL

I found this perspective helpful in trying to explain both my limited experience with streamers, and more generally why things like cable changes and power management can be so important in digital music reproduction well beyond 1s and 0s.

Your thoughts and comments invited.

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@retiredaudioguy

At first I was confused because I wanted to purchase a streamer without a dac or what is described as a stand alone streamer. But in researching what you have posted here on this thread am I to understand that all streamers have an internal clock? And if this is true, you have also led me to believe that a asynchronous USB cable should be used as an interconnect from the streamer to the DAC instead of a I2S cable? 

I have a custom built Revelation Audio Labs Prophecy Cryosilver Reference HDMI/I2S cable coming from my Shenling ET3 CD Transport to my Laiv Harmony µDAC and was going to use that I2S cable from a streamer to my DAC. But because of what you have written below, now I understand to get an asynchronous USB cable instead. Correct?

Thank you for these explanations of the differences between a asynchronous USB, a synchronous USB and a I2S cable when trying to get the best response from a streamer to DAC interface. 

 

If the connection is IIS (I2S) then that clock is transmitted from the streamer to the DAC in the cable.   If your streamer’s clock is better than the DAC’s, and you have a first class cable, your SQ will improve. Similarly with Coax and Toslink the clocking is to some extent dependent on the streamer, hence SQ will depend to a greater or lesser extent on the streamer in addition to the DAC.


If you use Asynchronous USB the SQ is probably unaffected by the streamer as the data is read by the DAC, on request, into a first-in-first-out buffer (a chunk of RAM) and is strobed into the actual dac chips by the DAC’s clock.  So the analog output is isolated from timing errors (jitter) from the digital source.

@tyray theres no clear agreement on which is better, I2S or USB.

What is clear is that I2S isn't standardized between devices whereas USB is. 

It all comes down to the quality of the buffering and ground loop isolation, IMHO.  

The thing streamers must do extremely well is buffer up to several seconds of input which may or may not arrive in order or on time and provide a monotonous (literally mono-tonic) output regardless.  If they can do that well regardless of the type of input stream you have succeeded. 

@davide256,

I will take your comment(s) under consideration but I’m glad I found out that an asynchronous USB cable is a viable alternative to using a I2S cable with the purpose of taking advantage of and getting high quality usage from the USB input on a DAC.

As I had assumed that an I2S connection is better than a USB connection, which now I know, may not always be the case, even if you have a custom built I2S cable.

@tyray if you do try USB, I recommend buying 2 half meter cables and an Intona USB isolator. You would think that unnecessary between good gear but between an Innuos Pulse and Holo Spring 3, I find the Intona reduces USB irritants.