Sonus Faber Maxima Amator next steps


I have recently purchased a set of Maxima Amators and I’m happy with the quality of sound. There is something very special about the presence region—transparent, detailed, honest realism, on and on. Overall they are refined, vibrant, sweet, emotionally engaging, and full of musical color (not coloration or artifice—there is a difference). The bass performance and dynamic envelope is very surprising given their modest footprint and single smallish mid-bass driver. I’m finding that I listen to complete albums and let Roon pick whatever in the current genre I’m enjoying. They pull me in and let me enjoy the music. The bass is very surprising to me. I just had ATC SCM 50s in this same room for months with the same gear, and though the ATCs played louder (actually they can play to blistering levels without compromising) more effortlessly at those times when I want to push it, the Maximas actually sound deeper and richer with more gravity around the upper bass area. This is not mid-bass bloat, which I sometimes got with the various Harbeths in here; on the contrary—very even and linear bass. The ATC 50s tend to a faster, drier tonality and sometimes sound bass-light despite a massive woofer driver structure and being driven by a 300 wpc Accuphase amp. It’s probably just a room coupling issue, but it is pretty surprising how sure-footed and punchy the Maximas are. That being said, I am considering next steps in the Sonus Faber lineup. If I am so happy with the MAs, why would I want to risk an “upgrade”? I’ve been down this road before where a supposed upgrade just doesn’t work out.
In any case, I would like to build on the special sound and presentation of the Maximas while allowing more scale and wideband authority. I would really miss the see-through realism and clarity the Maximas render as well as their astonishing low-level sound quality. These are amazing in this area and much better than any previous speaker I’ve owned over the past 30 years. How they are able to achieve full sound at low levels is truly an engineering feat.
My current space is probably ideal for the Maxima Amators, but not so much for the larger G5s. However, I have had ATC SCM 50, Marten Oscar Trio, Opera Audio Loudspeaker Divas (which are 140 pounds, similar size-wise to the G5), and I tried Harbeth M40.3. All of these except the M40.3 did not sound overbearing, forced, or cause excessive bass issues. The big Beths did sound bloated, and it was obvious they needed a larger space to open up and deliver.
I have played around with all these aforementioned speakers in my downstairs room, a 14.5 x 22 x 8.5 ft area I designed for movies. For two-channel audio bass with the speakers on the short wall, my listening spot put me in a bass null—result was thin, uninspiring performance. When I place them on the long wall, bass is way better and powerful, deep and extended—so I’ve concluded that if I’m going to set up in the basement, this has to be the configuration.
I prefer the upstairs office, which is 14 x 12.5 x 15 feet and has unique sound and aesthetics, but realistically the G5s are probably going to be too big—or not. The high ceiling and layout seem to suck up acoustic energy, but because my listening spot puts me close to the rear wall, bass is excellent and the speakers sound full and present. I absolutely detest thin, body-less, ultra-detailed sound. Nothing distracts me more than super-hifi soulless sound. I crave a meat-on-the-bones, reach-out-into-the-room, intimate type of experience, yet natural and unhyped and devoid of any artifice in the treble. I find the Maxima Amators to pretty much check all these boxes, but where I imagine improvements lie would be to build on this and enhance the foundation, anchoring the image with more solidity and dynamic ease, standing up with linear scale to occasional loud sessions, and yet build on the beautiful midrange these special Maximas provide.
I read a lot about the Serafinos, and they seem to offer more deep bass and larger-format sound, but supposedly they miss the intimacy and conveyance of the musical gestalt of the Amators. There is something magical with the two-way design and unique crossover configuration. To me it sounds as if there is no crossover or anything absorbing any part of the signal. They really are amazing speakers in this way. I have read in other forums that the G5s are the way to go for a true step up and in no way compromise this wonderful type of presentation I’m finding with the Maximas.
I thank you for reading this rambling post and look forward to reading responses of those that have heard these two speakers from Sonus Faber.

audiopacer

I waffle on the minimum room size thing. I think it is a thing if you play really loud. If you want really loud, then all sorts of dampening is needed in smaller rooms. The Amati play really well at low volumes... I would say notably better than the Serafino or Olympica. My experience with Sonus Faber is the better the speaker the lower the volume you need to sound fantastic. I play mine at 65db all the time... when only enjoying listening to music. I only crank them to the 80’s occationally. I’ve had a couple of youngsters (in their thirties) come over and crank them well into the 90’s and they sounded great... but left the room almost immediately. I have a large listening space... .if you had done that in and untreated small room I’m pretty sure it would not have sounded good. 

I'm glad you asked this question. It has helped me clarify the size thing. It's a thing when I was young. Back then I was looking for loud... as loud as possible., ear bleeding concert levels.  As my systems became better that faded as I realized that satisfying is only loud in very inferior systems... to me anyway. 

@ghdprentice i like to listen around 75-80 dB A weighted average. The Amators are exceptionally talented at sounding full and present lower than this but, It sounds so good I can’t help myself; besides, it’s quite safe to hang out there for hours a day at this kind of RMS spl average.  As a working stiff however, it’s rare I sit for that long. Usual sessions are hour or so thru the week day to day with some time in the AM with coffee . Weekends are longer. It’s all good 👍 

cheers and enjoy 😊 

So, my guess is that if you got the Amati your long-term average would go to 70db - 75db. That is my guess. If you get them, tell me if my guess is right. Any way, I don't think that the room size will pose an issue.

@audiopacer - I apologize for a potentially stupid question.. It seems your preamp + amp combo are quite a bit more expensive than the speakers. Would you say it makes sense to have it that way? Or are you planning on replacing your current SF with something more expensive? Or replacing your amp/preamp with something less expensive?

I’m moving in a similar direction with my next upgrade where my new amp will be more expensive than the speakers, which according to some is not ideal. So just curious..

@vvvvvv6 for me it makes sense. It might not make sense to anyone else. The speakers are extremely revealing; the tweeter is at least refined and detailed as my prior speakers that I’ve owned including the 30K Dynaudio Confidence 50 and ATC SCM50’s- that use the same tweeter as their much larger speakers. Tweeter is only one part of the transparency puzzle/ crossover and midrange also super important as well as overall system design. I guess what I’m trying to say is in my opinion the Amators hold nothing back and allow the source gear to shine through. I’ve built many many systems over the years , some where the speakers captured the lions share of the budget and others where it was a more even kind of split. For me the Accuphase gear and DAC are retirement level pieces; if I do upgrade I would get Amati G5 that cost more than any individual piece and on paper the resulting performance should be at a higher level, but in practice it could be different. I don’t know 🤷‍♂️. I would need to audition the G5’s at home to truly know. 
rules of thumb suggest budgeting most toward speakers but sometimes smaller less expensive speakers are incredibly good and scale just fine as signal fed to them improves. At the end of the day I don’t sit and think about how lopsided the cost is, it sounds amazing and brings forth much enjoyment. I can’t say enough how much I love the Accuphase amplification chain. These pieces will bring out the absolute best of any speaker I’m guessing. Hope my rambling helps.