What innovative, unconventional cartridge designs can you recommend?


Most cartridges have a stylus and cantilever where the transducer (magnet, iron or coil) sits on the far end of the cantilever.  What other designs are there?

I am mindful of two designs which put the business end right on top of the stylus.  The first is the moving coil (MC) Audio Technica AT-ART1000 which places two tiny coils, each 0.9-mm diameter, with eight turns of wire directly above the stylus.  Australian price is about AUD-7000 and there apparently is a newer model, slightly less exxe. the ART1000X.  This has square coils for a bit more output, and threaded mounting holes.

A downside is that stylus replacement involves a factory maintenance program and the Australian website page describing this service does not exist.

Another design is optical, exemplified by DS Audio's range.  While these still need a stylus to trace the groove, the signal is produced by reading the intensity of light produced by a Light Emitting Diode (LED) hitting two sensors.  Between the LED and the sensors are two 'shades' mounted above the stylus which change the amount of light as the stylus vibrates.  These cartridges need a special "photo-stage" to replace the conventional phono-stage which is an additional expense.

Australian prices including photo-stages range from AUD-2,150 for the DS-E1 to the DS Master 3 at approximately AUD-40,800, which is a bit outside my price range!  Where is the sweet spot?

What other way-out designs are there?

richardbrand

@pindac 

An improved Quality Control at the assembly end might develop as an outcome

Now who is making assumptions!  This is quite insulting to DS Audio.  As far as I can tell, the only person on this site who regards you as an authority would be yourself.

You have no interest in buying DS Audio or an ART1000, so why not keep your unhelpful comments to yourself.

AnalogMagik Reports are snippet of products released into the Cartridge Market, what is read, is for the best, if worn like a loose garment, it should not be attached to being an authority on the Quality of released products.

I would trust the AnalogMagik reports more than lunatic ravings of an uninformed luddite. I have not heard of any significant issues with regard to quality control of the DS Audio cartridges. From what I have personally seen, the build quality looks to be very good.

@pindac Stated " I'm happy to be proven wrong, expose myself to the Public Humiliation through being wrong, "

 @richardbrand Stated " As far as I can tell, the only person on this site who regards you as an authority would be yourself.

You have no interest in buying DS Audio or an ART1000, so why not keep your unhelpful comments to yourself.

@dover Stated " I would trust the AnalogMagik reports more than lunatic ravings of an uninformed luddite."

It was expected and as always - No Beef from my end, live and let live.   

@pindac Has a keenness to experience a ART 20 as well as the ART 1000X, a Ortofon Verismo and a MSL Platinum, with the main interest in the ART Models.

My own Transducers immediately available and the designs being put in place as a result of others undertaking investigations, that can be used with them are also enough to keep myself totally interested in Cartridges.

The DS Audio Range of Cartridges which I have followed for approx' 4 years has not revealed anything that creates the earlier stimulus I had to experience them, which was enough for me to venture on a 600 mile round trip to experience them in use. As already stated " A owned Cartridge still in use today, when compared to the DS  Audio Cartridge, proved to be the much better device to create an indelible musical encounter. This was not a thought limited to myself, a selection of other attendees of which one was a audio media journalist were quick to inquire about my Cartridge and the service who produced it.     

@pindac You haven't commented on what I said. Or did I misunderstand your issue with exotic cantilevers on DS Audio cartridges?

@dover 

I would trust the AnalogMagik reports more than lunatic ravings

Me to! 

AnalogMagik does far more than @pindac 's rather incomprehensible dribble suggests:

AnalogMagik Reports are snippet of products released into the Cartridge Market, what is read, is for the best, if worn like a loose garment, it should not be attached to being an authority on the Quality of released products

In particular, they run extensive turntable and cartridge tuning and rebuild services - see Will AnalogMagik work with my equipment? which includes: 

12) Can you give me some hints as to what cartridges, tonearm, and turntable combinations will be easier to measure incremental changes?

For cartridges, we find My Sonic Lab, Haniwa, Air Tight, Ortofon, Lyra, and Phasemation to be some of the brand names that stand out as having very consistent manufacturing quality.  Optical cartridges such as DS Audio also measure very well. These brand names also have very low channel imbalance, which makes crosstalk analysis a lot more accurate.    Two names that I find to be very responsive to adjustments, are MSL and ZYX

On the other hand, we find some other cartridges to measure very poorly, some have significant channel imbalances.  Other Cartridges with stylus zenith issues, channel imbalance out of the factory, and various suspension problems tend to be less responsive to adjustments, or they may exhibit very mediocre numbers.  The bottom line is if the cartridge is bad, do not expect to detect incremental changes easily.

Tonearms that have high machinery precision, with fewer wobbly parts tend to provide efficient energy transfer, they tend to register much lower baseline distortion levels.    Tonearms with lots of moving parts that fit together poorly tend to measure very poorly.

For turntables, those that have better isolation tend to measure a lot better.     Idler wheels, rim drives, and older tables with lots of mechanical moving parts tend to measure very poorly, they produce a lot of vibrations which makes baseline distortion levels high.    It is difficult to detect incremental changes with these tables.

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