Led Zeppelin II on vinyl


How good or bad are the remastered versions? 
This in example…

https://store.acousticsounds.com/d/96600/Led_Zeppelin-Led_Zeppelin_II-180_Gram_Vinyl_Record
 

I know it’s a digital remaster. Worth getting or should I hunt down a reasonably priced (if there is such a thing) US 1969 pressing?

Any thoughts from Zeppelin fans? What versions are good sounding? Not looking to pay obscene amounts of money for this…thanks!

audphile1

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So do the 2 sides sound different?

On my pressing, the only songs that have stellar sound quality are the first two songs on side one.

All of the other songs sound very good.  But they all sound like very good recordings.

On my pressing, Whole Lotta Love does not sound like a recording.  It sounds like the band is in front of you (well, it does on the store’s stereo).

I have never heard any other RL pressing.  So I do not know if others have better sound quality for the other songs.  But it seems as if, on my pressing, the expert mastering was done for only the first two songs on side one.

@audphile1 

And man I’m really not buying the cassette story. Why would they not use the original tape to create a new master? This makes no sense to me. Even in 1969 they knew that cassette is significantly lower fidelity than the original master tape. Why would anyone at Atlantic do this?

My guess is that Ahmet Ertegun did not care about sound quality.

Since his daughter's (or niece's) toy turntable skipped with that pressing, you would think that Ahmet Ertegun would have a real stereo in his home, and would play the record on his own stereo.

Or, you would think that Ahmet Ertegun would take that record back to his office and play it.  Or that he would take it into the studio and play it.

There is no indication that he took any steps to determine if it was the fault of the record, or the fault of a child's toy turntable.

And did Ahmet Ertegun compare the RL pressing to the newly mastered one that he ordered them to make?  Not that anyone knows of.

So Ahmet Ertegun probably did not care about sound quality (or even understood sound quality).  If it sounded as good as elevator music, with no glaring artifacts, that probably passed his smell test.

There is no incontrovertible evidence, one way or the other.  But considering the oceans of songs with so-so sound quality, released under his watch, I am concluding that sound quality was at the bottom of his priority list (or absent from his priority list).

@seymour-krelborn well our guesses are as good as anyone’s. It’s really an amusing story and I really hope it’s a fairytale. 

I don’t want to add to the speculation about the source of the immediate post-RL cut but suffice to say, a lot of pretty big records were made by sending copy tapes to various pressing plants simultaneously. I gather that in some cases, at least in the U.S., metal parts would be shipped. I think Atlantic relied largely on Columbia in those days for U.S. pressings; the foreign pressings would have likely come from safety/production copies that were already EQ’d--that is a reason (correct me if wrong) why you might find a ex-U.S. pressing with a Hulko or RL inscription.

I bought most of my Zep copies back when and if you can sit and listen to them in batches-- doing "shoot-outs" with eliminations, you can pretty much discern the differences over a known system. It takes time (when I did this for Zeppelin a number of years ago, these shoot outs-- which I never wrote up--were done over the course of days and weeks, and involved East and West Coast US pressing plants, UK (like the LZ I Turquoise, which I did not own) and numerous others). 

You don’t need golden ears to hear the differences-- some are more dramatic than others. With LZII, I’d still put the RL at the top of the heap-- Monarch if possible and yes, there were WLPs of those which are pretty rare. I’ve heard it said that there were around 200k copies of the US RLs, which is still a decent amount of records from  a collector’s standpoint, although the band was well known by the time the second LZ album was released, so that was just the "starting" runs-- from multiple plants simultaneously.

One other observation-- system character will play into how the particular pressing is perceived. I bought the MoFi LZ II when it was released, and using a Quad/Decca/subwoofer system and tubes at the time, the EQ of that cut compensated for the tonal balance of that system. I haven’t listened to that copy in a long time, but regard the vinyl compound as possibly the best- I played the hell out of some of those old MoFi (JVCs) and they are still quiet. 

Among the copies of LZII here (to my memory) are multiple RLs, an early UK plum, the aforementioned 2nd JPN (which I was told was highly regarded by the Highwater Sound guy), a Canadian "TG" and probably a few others. I did have those Page supervised remasters of I-III but got rid of them when I purged before moving to Texas. 

Obviously, the biggest obstacle is availability of clean players in a highly inflated market. I think I paid around $300 US to a bin diving friend for the cleanest RL and that was reasonable for both of us at the time. Today, I probably would not bother, but there are many other pressings out there, and some pretty good write-ups of them if you research. Part of the joy of this, to me, is the process of searching these out, researching, listening and comparing. It’s easier to do when a record is 50-100 bucks than 1,500 US. 

Even though I have gone through quite a lot of vinyl (mainly older copies), I’ve slowed way down because of the inflated market. I will still pay for a record I want, but I’m more deliberate about it now. 

There is a good thread on Hoffman about "mid-level" LZ II  that also brings up a Spanish pressing (Alvear, which I have not heard) in addition to a number of others, some mentioned here. 

Cool info @whart , thanks for sharing as always 🎵

The JVC vinyl compound was/is very quiet.